Microsoft XBOX ONE


thatgui said:
This is getting ridiculous, I bet if someone ask if you have to sell your soul for an xboxone and MS denies it, people start shouting "They deny it because they know its true" Whats next ? Torches and pitchforks ?

Why would MS have any interest in hamstringing the sale of used consoles (mind that MS still most profits are coming from game sales)?
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No, denial would be something else. This would be like if someone asked if you needed to sell your soul and Microsoft got this kind of panicked look and said "why would you ask that?" It's not an answer, and the way they chose to not-answer is very suggestive of what they think the answer will be, whether they know for sure or not. At least denial would have been an answer. How people react to that answer would have been an entirely different matter.
 
It gets worse.

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So games that you've legitimately paid for are made null and void and unplayable - I wonder if that's actually legal?
 
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WizardStan said:
It's not an answer, and the way they chose to not-answer is very suggestive of what they think the answer will be, whether they know for sure or not.
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If they didn't impose some kind of restriction on selling a used XB1 without wiping it first, you could sell a machine stuffed with your games, just as long as you no longer wanted your profile (or games). That'd make a mockery of any 'used game policy', at least in that scorched-earth sale situation.
 
iprice said:
So games that you've legitimately paid for are made null and void and unplayable - I wonder if that's actually legal?
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Of course it is. As everyone who is quick to defend Microsoft have pointed out you haven't actually bought a game in a long time: what you are buying is a license to play the game. Licenses are usually revokeable, they can be turned off for any number (and sometimes no) reason. Nice and legal. Of course, just because something is legal doesn't mean it is moral.
 
Asmo said:
thatgui said:
Why would MS have any interest in hamstringing the sale of used consoles (mind that MS still most profits are coming from game sales)?
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It may be that it's part of the DRM, that once a machine is set up with a users profile it can't be deleted easily (the HD is 'non user replaceable' too) - It'd act as a sort of anti-theft device and ensure nobody could claim it wasn't from their machine that a digital transaction was made?

If it's true, then they might be undecided as to whether you'd need to part with a machine through a 'participating retailer' or have some kind of hardware unlocking/erasing facility by remote?
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That is a possibilty, but what would be the consequences, that MS would need to counteract by restricting a users right to sell his console ? MS makes most of its money via game sales, but having a restriction like that would ultimatly lower game sales:If somebody isn't interested in an XBONE anymore, but can't sell it, it's quite likely that it will end up in the basement. Rendering it as dead meat, where no revenue can be made from. If it sold to another user - who is automatically activly interested - the dead meat is rivied.

WizardStan said:
No, denial would be something else. This would be like if someone asked if you needed to sell your soul and Microsoft got this kind of panicked look and said "why would you ask that?" It's not an answer, and the way they chose to not-answer is very suggestive of what they think the answer will be, whether they know for sure or not. At least denial would have been an answer. How people react to that answer would have been an entirely different matter.
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Sure, but that is not the point. The point I was trying to make was, that the whole XBONE prerelease situation is slowly getting out of hand: Xbox support could not answer the question wether the XBONE can be sold or not. Very surprising that a department of a big company like MS, that is usually at the end of the information queue, does not want to stick its neck out in an already ticklish situation.
 
"Digging Into Xbox One's Used Games Policy"

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/digging-into-xbox-ones-used-games-policy

The fact is that lending, sharing and playing with friends and family is not just a vital part of console gaming culture, but of culture as a whole. The ability to share your Xbox One games library with ten other people is an important concession to this fact, but is it good enough to make up for all the other restrictions? For many, it’s not.
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Dumb Asses!

They saw their business going down the drain to PS4 and the WiiU of all devices and they made the right choice. They should have never started this shit in the first place.

The damage is done for me at this point, as I still won't be buying a 3DO'ne. I personally don't need or want the Kinect, and having to pay an extra 100 dollars for it is a clear deal breaker for me. Hell, who am I kidding, I won't be buying the PS4 at 400 either, but once price drops come along, I guess everyone has a fair shake at my hard earned dollars depending on the content at that time.

Chris
 
Yeah even so im still thinking of getting a ps4 instead of an xbox one. I guess the damage has been done.

Still who knows maybe ill pick up an xbox one when its cheaper, if there is some exclusive games available.

I mostly bought a ps3 for god of war 3, only played motorstorm apocalypse and god of war and killzone 2 to date. Not many great exclusuives imo.

The vitand ps4 connectivity could lead to more cool vita games too.
 
This is actually really sad. Microsoft had the opportunity to say "we listened to feedback and have come up with this strategy that solves everyone's issues!"

Instead they just backed down entirely, lost all the innovative steam they'd been building and have basically lost everyone. The people that were looking forward to the new features despite the setbacks (don't tell me that diskless play and digital game sharing weren't cool ideas) will be disappointed that they're back to disk-only access, and those that were complaining about the restrictions will remain sceptical, many having already lost complete interest and jumped the Sony bandwagon.

This was not a "damned if you do, damned if you don't", Microsoft has just failed time and again to run proper PR control, one kneejerk reaction after another.
 
Could be a chain of command thing or something. everyone below just echoing what the top brass say or such. god knows.

They should issue a proper statement to clarify the issue and make the changes part of their advertising going forward imo.
 
There were a number of campaigns against them from well know Youtube gamers who told all their subscribers not to buy the Xbox One until MS changed their DRM policy.  Seems like that had some traction along with all the other general hate against it.

In the end, as predicted , MS had to do something  when the PS4 was being preordered over the One by a factor of 17 to 1 on a lot of sites including Amazon.  That's about as hated as you could get , Hard to imagine a more resounding message from the consumer that what you are doing is not wanted.

Looks like it will be region free also 

 

At least Don Mattrick did say it was in response to consumers demands: http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-drm-used-games-reversal/

In the end, it was a :  CONSUMER FLAWLESS VICTORY.
 
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Still a massive fail console regardless. 100 dollars more expensive than its more powerful competition. Still highly prohibitive to smaller developers. Digital distribution like steam but without steam prices. Only thing its has going for it is the better controller.
 
SeeThruHead said:
Still a massive fail console regardless. 100 dollars more expensive than its more powerful competition. Still highly prohibitive to smaller developers. Digital distribution like steam but without steam prices. Only thing its has going for it is the better controller.
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dude-bros dont care...

launch day prices dont matter, lets wait until holiday season...

That is yet to be confirmed...

day 1 steam prices are about the same, the sale are a year or 2 down the road...

I prefer the ps3 controller over the xbox atm, but we dont even know how they feel yet anyhow...
 
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MS did a 180 with the Xbox 1 to now have the same DRM as the 360 and PS 4

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