GPD Win (x86 Computer / Palmtop)

[levi]

Good luck trying to press F1 on that keyboard while handholding the thing though!

 

[oskda]

The keyboard layout is superior.
If its able to run Debian I will get one for myself.

The layout is superior because it has more keys and near has all keys a normal PC notebook keyboard has.
BUT I think the key design is wrong: the keys are together one to the other, with no space between. I think that in small keyboards with small keys, it is more ergonomic to leave some space between keys, because on other case your fingers will press surrounding keys a lot of times.

On other side, GDP keyboard has no backlight . Backlight keyboard is a must for me, as sometimes I will use my pamptop in places where ambient light is not high.

For example I own a Zaurus SL-C: its keyboard has no backlight, so I can't use it in lots of places.

 

[Klumpen]

Oh, a keyboard discussion, that's new.

 

[Faust]

The layout is superior because it has more keys and near has all keys a normal PC notebook keyboard has.
BUT I think the key design is wrong: the keys are together one to the other, with no space between. I think that in small keyboards with small keys, it is more ergonomic to leave some space between keys, because on other case your fingers will press surrounding keys a lot of times.

On other side, GDP keyboard has no backlight . Backlight keyboard is a must for me, as sometimes I will use my pamptop in places where ambient light is not high.

For example I own a Zaurus SL-C: its keyboard has no backlight, so I can't use it in lots of places.

It has a superior keyboard when it comes to typing, but it has a lot inferior one when it comes to handle it when you want to play or you want to play and use it at the same time. The only time it will be better is when you will put the GPD on a flat surface.

Pyra's one will be the best for the purpose of a handled machine.

 

[TrashyMG]

Merged Thread in Pyra section with this one.

 

[Alperoot]

This thing is obviously a Pandora/Pyra knockoff and it isn't near as elaborate as Pyra.
The only feature it have that Pyra haven't is a x86 processor but still if Pyra success it will have one too.

And they putted it on indiegogo even if they don't need money so that:
-They can market it as an innovation as the Pandora formfactor is still undiscovered and Pyra isn't yet on crowfunding.
-Even if their knockoff is in early developpement they can sell it before Pyra.
That way they cut the ground from under Pyra's feet and intend to steal Pandora market just before it have a chance to blow up.

If this thing make the Pyra fail there will not be a Pyra with a x86 processor. We will end up with a pathetic knockoff rather than an originale more elaborate handheld, open, upgradable with better quality and genuine care for us customer.

Some of y'all supporting this felony is disgusting.

Ewww.
Calling ALL GPD Win fans disgusting?
The thing you are doing is disgusting.
Sure, Pyra and Gwin are both mobile computers but they are marketed completely different. Pyra is a mobile console that runs emulators whereas Win is more of a mobile computer. Sure, Pyra can do everything that a computer can do (excluding x86 things via Exageat etc), you totally are forgetting the thing that Pyra is Linux but Win just might be able to VM it which will be a lot slower than the Pyra. All of these concludes that :

+ If you are a retro-gamer who loves to play old games and do some linux stuff and get ARM apps, you should definitely buy a Pyra.

+ If you are a gamer who wants to play mid-end games buy a GWin. Also, in my case, if you want to pentest, just VM command tool lines. It won't so slow. It won't also be fast, though.

 

[EvilDragon]

Pyra is a mobile console that runs emulators whereas Win is more of a mobile computer.

For me, Pyra is more of a mobile computer than the GPD Win. I will probably not use it for gaming that much anymore than I will use it as mobile office.

With the GPD Win, the keyboard layout is not optimized for thumb typing, 3G/4G is missing, capacitive screen and analog sticks are not optimal for mouse usage (try using GIMP or similar with a capacitive screen) and it's a bit too big for my trousers.

So for me, the GPD Win will be something to play some Windows games with, the Pyra will be more of a portable PC for me.

 

[Alperoot]

For me, Pyra is more of a mobile computer than the GPD Win. I will probably not use it for gaming that much anymore than I will use it as mobile office.

With the GPD Win, the keyboard layout is not optimized for thumb typing, 3G/4G is missing, capacitive screen and analog sticks are not optimal for mouse usage (try using GIMP or similar with a capacitive screen) and it's a bit too big for my trousers.

So for me, the GPD Win will be something to play some Windows games with, the Pyra will be more of a portable PC for me.

But that doesn't change the fact that they use different proccessors. I said it is more of a mobile computer just because x86 has more apps than ARM.

 

[SNESFAN]

I'm more of a Windows user, that uses Linux for specific tasks, so for me it's the exact opposite. Pyra will be more of a game player (retro emulation) and can see the GPD win being more of a mobile workstation.

Edit: Also the point above, corner case x86 applications don't need ported or recompiled for ARM to run. That's a big feature to me.

Different strokes for different folks

 

[EvilDragon]

But that doesn't change the fact that they use different proccessors. I said it is more of a mobile computer just because x86 has more apps than ARM.

Yes, but due to the capacitive screen, you cannot really use most programs (like Photoshop, Video Editing, etc.), which is a real showstopper for me.
What is the use if I can RUN these programs but not properly use them?

 

[PowerGod]

Why so much hate for a new device that tries to fill a market ?
Damn, so many years with "just" the Pandora around, and now that there are more choices there's hate ?!

ED did the right choice buying them for his store (the same move when Microsoft got quotes from Apple ), he has a lot of devices that do mostly the same things, with something that differs here and there, but people likes this, every piece of hardware has some good and bad points.

The GPD Win could be more "retro-compatible" for Windows things, something that is not always simple to obtain on Linux or ARM... and well there are also those people who are unable (for some reason) to change their Windows programs...
(I don't like very much the keyboard anyway)

@SNESFAN : that's the first time ever that I have seen someone telling to use Linux just for playing... and Windows for serious stuff

 

[Klumpen]

@SNESFAN : that's the first time ever that I have seen someone telling to use Linux just for playing... and Windows for serious stuff

I've heard this several times by now mostly due to the fact, that a Linux port (if it exists) usually runs way faster on the same system than the Windows port due to the efficiency of Linux and the small overhead.
Just compare Shadow Warrior 2013 on an old System with Linux Mint 17 and Windows 7 installed, same goes for Trine 1-3 and any other game that has a proper Linux port.
I still haven't understood why Windows should be better for working in any way though and the usual argument is "my company uses it".

Regarding "working with GPD Win10":
My first thought was "not with a touchscreen you can't use precisely with a stylus" too.
Pandora is nearly pixel perfect when it comes to the use of a stylus and there's a reason why ED cared so much for the right screen in Pyra development.
This combined with the keyboard design and performance loss due to Windows makes it neither ideal for gaming nor for working.
I could see the appeal of a x86 processor module in Pyra for Linux native games from HB/GoG as well as a WINE setup without too much performance loss, easy setup and good compatibility to old Windows games which ironically won't run on a current Windows distro.
It would only make sense if there'd be a x86 SoC that is as power efficient as they always claim to be but never are in reality.

The devil is in the details. Superficially good specs and a nice idea alone don't make a good device and ED knows what he is doing thanks to his experience and openness for community input, same goes for Nikolaus and the rest of the team. Never underestimate German knowhow and efficiency and I'm not referring to Tiger tanks here, lol.

BTW: Working with a privacy disaster like Win10 is a bad idea in general.
I'd keep it as far away from sensitive information as possible, better yet keep it far away from any computer.

 

[Kiga]

This thing is obviously a Pandora/Pyra knockoff and it isn't near as elaborate as Pyra.
The only feature it have that Pyra haven't is a x86 processor but still if Pyra success it will have one too.

And they putted it on indiegogo even if they don't need money so that:
-They can market it as an innovation as the Pandora formfactor is still undiscovered and Pyra isn't yet on crowfunding.
-Even if their knockoff is in early developpement they can sell it before Pyra.
That way they cut the ground from under Pyra's feet and intend to steal Pandora market just before it have a chance to blow up.

If this thing make the Pyra fail there will not be a Pyra with a x86 processor. We will end up with a pathetic knockoff rather than an originale more elaborate handheld, open, upgradable with better quality and genuine care for us customer.

Some of y'all supporting this felony is disgusting.

Ewww.
Calling ALL GPD Win fans disgusting?
The thing you are doing is disgusting.
Sure, Pyra and Gwin are both mobile computers but they are marketed completely different. Pyra is a mobile console that runs emulators whereas Win is more of a mobile computer. Sure, Pyra can do everything that a computer can do (excluding x86 things via Exageat etc), you totally are forgetting the thing that Pyra is Linux but Win just might be able to VM it which will be a lot slower than the Pyra. All of these concludes that :

+ If you are a retro-gamer who loves to play old games and do some linux stuff and get ARM apps, you should definitely buy a Pyra.

+ If you are a gamer who wants to play mid-end games buy a GWin. Also, in my case, if you want to pentest, just VM command tool lines. It won't so slow. It won't also be fast, though.

Seriously how can you be a fan of a crippled knockoff? Sure you will have W10 earlier but Pyra is ARM capable and x86 capable once you switch the cpu board. Pyra CREATED this thing, so if you're a fan of the knockoff you are a Pyra fan, the sad part is the crippled knockoff could kill the orignal, using marketing.
The action of supporting gpd when you know about Pyra is disgusting yeah. Because it's a knockoff and because of their ugly marketing move on indiegogo.
Plus WE have nearly nothing to WIN by this knockoff but a lot to loose, as I explained in my previous post cited above. All gpd have is marketing and maybe THEY will WIN thanks to it and dumb "fan".

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

The gpdwin could turn out a little different in the end- I'd like to see an actual prototype.
It looks like a nice hand-held but I want a Pyra- the community here is also a selling point for me at least.

I like having the best and Pyra will have tons of features- I trust ed to build a high quality device.
I only need one hand-held system, anything more is overkill for me.

Ed may well get the Pyra out before the Gpdwin and remember how fast the initial pre-preorders sold out?

I wonder if the indiegogo campaign will succeed.

 

[vcoleiro1]

Well the Indiegogo campaign is already successful depending on your perspective. It's a flexible campaign so they don't have to reach the $100k goal, they will get what's raised regardless. And GPD have said they will build and fulfill pledges regardless of the $100k being reached. Looks like there's a fair chance they may reach the target though.

Basically they used Indiegogo for a number of reasons it seems , marketing to the west - which is critical for them as they don't have a western presence. And as a preorder mechanism.

By the way, Kendy who posted earlier in this thread is GPDs rep, so if you have any questions about the WIN you could ask Kendy

 

[SNESFAN]

@SNESFAN : that's the first time ever that I have seen someone telling to use Linux just for playing... and Windows for serious stuff

Not saying it's just for gaming, I'm saying the Linux Pandora and pyra run, having people target the specific device with their ports makes it more akin to a game console for the task of gaming. Where a PC can game, but you don't get that game console feeling if you know what I mean.

I am also saying I personally use Linux for specific purposes, compiling etc. things I could do in Windows possibly, but find easier to do in Linux where I learned how.

Most of my regular work I'm more familiar with MS office, I'm used to the admin tool suite for Windows, things I'm sure have a Linux counterpart, I'm just much more familiar with the windows side as far as the inter workings of the OS, the registry, how it works and how to do things.

 

[Grench]

I'd also like to know why Windows users won't care.

D.

Because they are used to accepting manufactured defaults and less likely to search out alternatives.

 

[SNESFAN]

Because they are used to accepting manufactured defaults and less likely to search out alternatives.

I wasn't aware that since I'm a Windows user I'm predisposed to not having a preference when it comes to bad keyboard layouts. Maybe I should look into one of these alternatives you speak of.

 

[Alperoot]

Seriously how can you be a fan of a crippled knockoff? Sure you will have W10 earlier but Pyra is ARM capable and x86 capable once you switch the cpu board. Pyra CREATED this thing, so if you're a fan of the knockoff you are a Pyra fan, the sad part is the crippled knockoff could kill the orignal, using marketing.
The action of supporting gpd when you know about Pyra is disgusting yeah. Because it's a knockoff and because of their ugly marketing move on indiegogo.
Plus WE have nearly nothing to WIN by this knockoff but a lot to loose, as I explained in my previous post cited above. All gpd have is marketing and maybe THEY will WIN thanks to it and dumb "fan".

I... I just don't want to call somebody who is calling people disgusting for no reason. Yes, I am a Pyra fan too. But I need Windows app library so much. If the final price is going to be $499, then I don't think it will be much successful. But if they are deciding for a lower price, then I see a lot of mobile gamers wanting to buy one.

I am not sure if they will be happy, though.

 

[Kiga]

I'm just wondering if the fact that you stutter in writing is related to the fact that you can't read the difference between an action and a human.