Any game on a game system from the Playstation/Dreamcast up minus the gamecube. vs a handful of sega games..
The SNES controller still has a cross shape, having one direction a tad longer doesn't change that and I'd find it acceptable.. However some of the curved configs floating around in this thread totally break this.
First of all, it's not a "handful of Sega games". It's almost all of the games on both the N64 and Saturn, a large list of MegaDrive games, as well as any 6-button arcade game.
Most games on all of the systems Playstation/Dreamcast up do not allow you to do this.
The SNES controller itself even highlights the fact that it is 2 rows of 2 buttons arranged diagonally if you look at the design that surrounds it the buttons.
the n64 setup would be my ideal, the C-buttons is in a cross and the A and B buttons line up with it.
Yes as in movement keys like the upper button is forward or look up, or the bottom buttons is like backward and look down..
It depends on the game.. many shooters have them setup for strafing and movement. However on the Pandora I setup movement controls like this all the time.
I have no issues with that setup. My issue was with some of the bendier setups. I just stated I would rather lose 2 buttons ie go down to 4 buttons then have something that wouldn't provide at least a rough direction pad. which some of the designs floating around were doing just that for the sake of just fitting it into the space given.
Great! I move to make this button layout the official recommendation of this thread:
I'm not sure what you mean by "even out the sides a bit".
You know that by pushing those buttons where you suggest that you are making a slight curve into a more aggressive curve. You said yourself that the Sega Saturn's curve seemed natural. If you push those buttons, you change the curve on this design from one that is already ever so slightly more curved than the Sega Saturn curve to one that is much more curved, and hence, unnatural.Not to me; it would turn the not-quite-natural curve into a more natural curve.
This isn't messing it up. It's nearly the same thing.
I rest my case.
Yup that would be sweet. This configuration works for me.Great! I move to make this button layout the official recommendation of this thread:As far as I could tell, most everyone was agreeable about this layout.-God Ginrai
When did EvilDragon say that?
16:42 < EvilDragon> _wb_, The only real working solution I can think of would be to the left side of X and Y two smaller buttons.
16:43 < EvilDragon> Everything else doesn't have space or will be accidentally pressed while gaming.17:35 < _wb_> EvilDragon: is the width of the device going to stay the same?
17:36 < _wb_> lots of people would be fine with slightly wider, so that would help to fit in - = [ ] ; ' , . in their normal places, get 6
action buttons, and some extra pcb space
17:36 < EvilDragon> _wb_, That's not slightlty, that's at least 1 cm!
17:37 < EvilDragon> And no no no no, I could not put it into my jeans pocket anymore.
17:37 < EvilDragon> That was the reason my PSP never was with me on-the-go.Guess this means I need to start joining IRC more often. Anyways, as I pointed out, that extra space between the nubs and the Start/Select/Pandora buttons can be trimmed to allow the buttons to fit in this layout. And if we still needed to increase the size of the case, it would be by a much smaller amount.
I specifically said they followed an "arch", using it as an example that straight lines are not always the best. I said nothing about the naturalness of it.But if I had, I'd say that what is natural for the Saturn isn't necessarily natural for the Pyra. They're different shapes, held differently, with different stuff in different places, the natural arc is going to be different. For how I hold my Pandora, a slightly more exaggerated arc would feel more natural.
The design on the Neogeo controller follows the same arc you posted here:
The only difference is that the Neogeo controller layout is tilted slightly.
Yes, that tilt is the killer on my thumb. That's why I want the two sides to be evened out, made parallel to the "bottom".
