What's Wrong With My Math, Here?

[darkman]

I think what is really interesting about the sells figures is, that there are two handheld systems in the gaming world now. Before the PSP there was only Nintendo.

 

[gaterooze]

I think what is really interesting about the sells figures is, that there are two handheld systems in the gaming world now. Before the PSP there was only Nintendo.

Sega Game Gear, Atari Lynx, NEC Turbo Express/PC Engine GT, Neo Geo Pocket, any of those ring a bell?

Maybe you mean "2 very well selling handhelds"

 

[Winterkid]

Yeah, not to mention the Tiger Electronics thing, Gizmondo, Zodiac, Virtual pets and those little Tetris LCD keychains I can't seem to find anymore.

 

[craigix]

Does anyone know what the sales per day in the UK are?

 

[darkman]

I think what is really interesting about the sells figures is, that there are two handheld systems in the gaming world now. Before the PSP there was only Nintendo.

Sega Game Gear, Atari Lynx, NEC Turbo Express/PC Engine GT, Neo Geo Pocket, any of those ring a bell?

Maybe you mean "2 very well selling handhelds"

My calender shows 2006 on it and there are two handheld systems on the market. Yes I own those systems you mentioned. They are retro. Understand the term "retro." Nintendo's handheld is still around and kicking. Presently Nintendo has dominated the market for a long time and has been considered the king that no one could touch. I think Sony has had a breakthrough, where the other systems you listed has not. If Sony does not fumble, You will see two systems that will emerge and dominate the market. With Nintendo not being the handheld king that tramples the contender and makes it eat dirt. I think Nintendo has lost ground finally and I think the sells figures show that. I also think the sells figures show that the market has expanded some what. The home console market has been characterized by having three available systems. It looks like at this point that the handheld market might be big enough for two. You have to admit Nintendo's handheld has a history, those handhelds in your listing where "in" that history.

 

[gaterooze]

I think Nintendo has lost ground finally and I think the sells figures show that.

The DS is selling even better than the GBA, so how exactly have they lost ground? It's been a massive, massive success bigger than anyone expected.

Sony are doing quite well, but their market is very different to Nintendo's. They're coexisting quite well -- "market share" only matters to megalomaniacs.

 

[Angel]

HEY PANTERA, have you played any PSP game online???? I would guess not because PSP games that use wifi are WWAAAYYY ahead of the times compared to the DS games in terms of playability, chat, well everything. Alot of the online games have clan options, basically a friends thing, so to say its a dream for the PSP is completely false and i'd suggest you know your shit before you post utter bullshit, PSP games are waay more advanced online than DS games, even the first, Twisted Metal, kicks the shit out of mario kart in terms of options, playability, chat, well, everything but the gameplay itself.

 

[Loubear]

Mario kart > twisted metal.

 

[iignotus]

Mario kart > twisted metal.

Very true.

Though online PSP games probably are more mature than online NDS games (I haven't played a PSP game online). I wouldn't doubt it since there aren't many games that would take advantage of things like 'clans' on the NDS. Chat sounds nice, but it also leads to many many problems among immature players. I'm sure Nintendo will end up implementing it in some game in the future, though; it's not like the PSP online protocol is any more mature than NDS's.

 

[darkman]

I think Nintendo has lost ground finally and I think the sells figures show that.

The DS is selling even better than the GBA, so how exactly have they lost ground? It's been a massive, massive success bigger than anyone expected.

Sony are doing quite well, but their market is very different to Nintendo's. They're coexisting quite well -- "market share" only matters to megalomaniacs.

I don't think any other handheld has penetrated the market like Sony has during the Ninty's reign. Maybe it is because they have focused into a different direction than the others. But from the recent drying of the market in the umd movies, those people are going probably more for the games now. Any movies are thrown onto the memory stick. (They are using the system differently than Sony intended) Nintendo has always dominated the handheld market since they entered that area. Maybe that is the expansion that I see to include two handheld systems. I think that is were I see the "lost ground." Nintendo has always trampled their competition in the past. I think that Sony has brought a change into the portable gaming scene that wasn't there before. I, in no way, am saying that the DS has not been a success. It has been a success, but I also see that Sony has also been successful. I have been in video games through the whole history of Nintendo & their GB and things just look different this time. I think that Sony is here to stay for a while, were as the others of the past quickly fizzled.

 

[yaustar]

...Twisted Metal, kicks the shit out of mario kart in terms of options, playability, chat, well, everything but the gameplay itself.

Isn't playability and gameplay the same thing in concept?

 

[itsme]

...Twisted Metal, kicks the shit out of mario kart in terms of options, playability, chat, well, everything but the gameplay itself.

Isn't playability and gameplay the same thing in concept?

:blink: :huh: :unsure:

 

[Mosch]

(...)Twisted Metal, kicks the shit out of mario kart in terms of options, playability, chat, well, everything but the gameplay itself.

"Yeah, the game sucks, but I have more option to make it suck in more ways than your DS!"

 

[Goity]

Technically, the DS is tramling PSP in relative terms.

 

[thingley]

A little off-topic here - but is Sony paying stores to stock more of their products?

I ask this because I'm clueless as to why my local game and gamestations both have at least one whole wall stocked floor to ceiling with UMD movies that NOBODY seems to be looking at let alone buying. Even the PSP games themselves have less shelf space than movies (though as I browse in Game nearly every day as I wait for my bus home the PSP games do seem to be selling).

There's alway somebody browsing through the DS games when I'm there - but they have even less shelf space.

Really - I'm just interested - does Sony pay stores to be given extra shelf space? How does it work?

If Sony report sales based on what's shipping to stores then it's no wonder the figures look good.

 

[Winterkid]

I do know most stores have a "stocking fee" for the shelf space they get. The more traffic an area gets, the closer to eye levels (average adult) the space is, all determine how much you pay to put your product there. I think frozen foods might be different, but I know if you don't have too much to spend, expect your product to be on the bottom shelf in the less travelled area of the ailse.

 

[iignotus]

I don't doubt that they are paying stores to stock more of their UMDs. Sony wants to push them as hard as possible because the UMDs were a complete failure. And I don't mean failure like the PSP, I mean failure like Betamax. Only worse.

 

[Angel]

playability is you have more options to play the game, and there's nothing wrong with the gameplay in twisted metal, its great, but its not mario kart, its a completely different style of game. But Mario kart DS has NOTHING but racing, NOTHING!!! were as even the first PSP online game has the main game, plus many many options, plus chat, friend chat, clan chat.

Mario kart > twisted metal.

Very true.

Though online PSP games probably are more mature than online NDS games (I haven't played a PSP game online). I wouldn't doubt it since there aren't many games that would take advantage of things like 'clans' on the NDS. Chat sounds nice, but it also leads to many many problems among immature players. I'm sure Nintendo will end up implementing it in some game in the future, though; it's not like the PSP online protocol is any more mature than NDS's.

the DS would be perfect for chat making the touch screen a virtual keyboard, i'm suprised it hasn't been done, and the DS COULD be very very good with Wifi, i'm sure it will be in the future, but i'm suprised at just how crappy the DS wifi service is, especially when directly compared to PSP games that use wifi, anybody that has tried both will tell you the psp makes alot better use of wifi than the DS, especially Socom where you can actually use voice chat with a head set, fuck, the DS has a built in microphone and it hasn't been used in wifi.

 

[PokeParadox]

Metroid Prime Hunters.

 

[itsme]

the DS would be perfect for chat making the touch screen a virtual keyboard, i'm suprised it hasn't been done,...

Nintendo seems to be extremely paranoid about getting class action lawsuits, and their friend code system is the pinnacle of the examples. I don't know what's the big deal about hearing a few f-bombs or badly drawn genitalia pix, but Nintendo surely disagree with me, it seems.