@comradekingu, sorry by I don't understand your text.
@netcat Are you humoring yourself with the worst possible takes?
Arguing on part of being a pacifist is is a supposed inability to do something by choice not derived from the conditions of being able to chose and abstaining, ala "I can't do this because I am vegan". You reason in the very thing you pertain to be unable to, so that means weapons for people other than yourself? How far does the self go? In a zero sum scenario, self-defense exists for all parties btw.
Are you pointing at my contradictions about pacifism and giving out arms ? Yes, it's contradictory. I'm not for giving out arms. I just said that forcing people to fight is even worse than helping figth those who want.
Put yourself in his shoes, and you can either defect or try to signal opposition.
Whose shoes ? Russian soldier ? Ukranian soldier ? Ukranian civilian ? male ? female ? young ? old ?
The propaganda effort has all sorts of potential, and the bar is low.
To arm a population having amassed grievances without them also means other scores are settled.
Yes. And there's the problem of recovering the arms once the war is over. Even if citizens don't use it for crimes they could eventually sell them in the black market.
But I've heard (no source, please keep some healthy skepticism) that the Ucranian government has released prisioners from prisons and given them arms to fight the Russians.
I mean from the UA government's point of view they must think it's better to give arms to all and suffer some crime from a part of the Ukranians than not giving them and
suffering murder from all the Russian solders. It's choosing between so bad options that it's hard to judge.
A war fought with Ukrainian women using hand-weapons is not good optics, nor are they trained to do so.
Why ? Many armies have woman soldiers.
Some even marry. Look at the Kurdistan ... Don't get me wrong. I don't like armies and I don't like soldiers, men or women.
And from what I can understand (little) many men that are given arms also have no training at all. A video tutorial on making Molotov cocktails is no military training.
Having the entire populace capable of fighting a guerilla war leave is a default loss for the person giving orders.
But it is a win for the popullation who has in principe appointed the person given orders. If it was the entire population who leaved, then it'd be clear the majority want asurrender. If a minority leaves it's not such a lose.
Gender politics vanish immediately removed from the underpinnings of western pretence. Ipso facto.
? Discriminating by gender is not only unjust, it leads to allocating unoptimal resources to tasks.
The EU is dealt a hand having to play along like it was a fight to be had, when it offers temporary asylum.
Note that work-permits will follow those.
Makes sense. Should be the policy in more cases, not only Ukranians. People factually living in a place without work permits only worsen the job market, because they end up getting dark economy jobs, can't pay taxes, and get lower salaries.
The gas and oil is and will be bought, and Ukraine not joining NATO is communicated openly.
The consideration of fighting a professional army or not doesn't take into account being invaded by a less corrupt entity.
Ukraine is bankrupt and can hardly afford to pay its citizens pensions.
The economic incentive does not even abate the surge in crime internally.
I'm lost. I don't know if Ukraine was bankrupt or is now after sustaining heavy bombing and all, but I don't trust any modern economy to be able to pay pensions much longer.
I don't know if the sanctions are strong enough to stop Russia from paying pensions (or soldier salaries). I think if that ever comes it'll take some time.
It's a political problem, not a really economical one. Resources are wasted in useless stuff for few, else there would be enough food etc. for all. Pension won't be paid because people in power won't want to and the other won't be able to influence that enough.
Entire regions are seceding and steadfast in this aim when the industry laden parts it constitutes have lost much of that capacity.
which capacity? I generally find separatism great. In the Donbass case I sincerly don't know how much is "legit" and how much is Russia underhand, just like the opposition to it may be "legit" or may be CIA/US/EU/west whatever maneuvers. I don't know.
We observe the tactics and results of an army as distinct from a scenario where people don't know what they are doing.
When you rationalize they can make that consideration for their families, you are inserting a motive for exactly why they are there on both sides of what is often the same coin.
I'm lost. I don't see as mutually exclusive the actions of an army and the actions of people who don't know what they are doing. The Russians in Ukraine are an army but many soldiers are very young and were alledgedly told they went on maneuvers, not on invasion of a foreign neighbour. So do they know what they are doing ? Do they all know whether they'l lhave food rations tommorrow or are going to have to steal food around ? Do they know whether Putin plans to throw a nuclear bomb on their heads tommorrow ? Likely not, but nobody knows.
The feeling for one's families doesn't seem to be the same for those on an invaded country than for the invaders. But then when an invader considers defecting, they may fear for represalies back home, maybe. I don't know.
If you think you are immune from reprisals from Russia in present day Ukraine, I really don't know what to tell you.
No. I didn't mean that. I meant for an Ukranian deciding whether to fight a bigger army and risk death or surrender and risk reprisals from that army, political cleansing and so on, is no easy decision. And the little I've heard from Ukranian history is ripe with examples of both disgraces.
TL;DR If you believe in self-defense for anyone that could put up a fight or actually change outcomes, what do you think is on the table in so doing?
I only meant that even if I don't like fighting and I might choose not to, I don't feel apt to judge others who choose to fight given the alternative to be killed or repressed. I think the decision is too difficult to impose mine on others. I would impose it (if I could) in all other cases but self-defense.
Now a curiosity (numerical coincidence?)
The organisations counting the detainees in Russia for protesting against the war give roughly
11000 people (since beginning of invasion last week).
The Ukranian army counting the Russian soldiers they've killed also say
11000 killed (since beginning of invasion last week too).
The real numbers nobody knows, of course. Do they all just give 1000 thousand a day, and call it as good a guess as any?
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