Loubear said:
You let "but" slip and it's ok, but I forget to mention the dashes and i'm wandering in circles? My entire argument was about how dashes are not used in standard english (written) for connecting clauses, and if you missed that, that's your own fault. "And" is not stylistic by any means... starting a sentence with "and" is artistic license. You're mistaking artistic license with bad grammar. Are you trying to tell me that you have seen coordinating conjunctions and semi colons replaced with dashes on essays and books on a regular basis? Or in any serious piece of literature for that matter. For the purposes of "style", would any grammatical error be henceforth "correct"? Enlighten me.
A: Please show me where I referred to the word "but". You seem to be dead-set on that word, despite the fact that I never even mentioned it.
B: "Starting a sentence with 'and' is artistic license": YES, THAT IS WHAT STYLISTIC MEANS. IT'S BASED ON THE STYLE OF THE WRITER, AKA THE WRITER'S "ARTISTIC LICENSE". Unless you're trying to say that they can do that BECAUSE they're professional. To be honest, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Please clarify, kthx.
C: Yes, actually, I am telling you that. The textbook I *just* handed in used dashes in various places. As previously stated, I also see them used in books, poetry, newspapers, and magazines. What you are essentially arguing is that the dash is improper English. It is not. The dash may well be stylistic, but it's also proper to use in formal writings.
Keep it coming, you're amusing.
Dashes. are. fine. Just not when used in place of a semi-colon. Why even have a semi colon when a dash does it for you? Connecting two independent clauses like that is what the semi-colon does, NOT the dash. Artistic licence does not mean that you can change grammar however and whenever you want. Minor changes for the sake of art are fine, but it's still incorrect. Shakespeare's writings are chockful of grammatical mistakes. Even if it's poetic license, it's still wrong. It's just that noone cares. I typed "whose" instead of "who's"... isn't that poetic license in your view? Instead, I have an "illiterate ass". Nice one. It doesn't matter if it's "and" or "but" or whatever, they are not there for nothing. The point here is not that you used the word "but" or not, it's that they're not just there for "style". If you decide that using a dash instead of a semi-colon is artistic license, you decide what you're going to write. Note how I said to tell me if you see them on a "regular basis". Do you? If so, they must be everywhere... *yeah right*
Sleepy time.