PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor

[Mr_Loon]

And all that for ~250$? HOW?

Mind boggling isn't it?

However if this was released in a years time I could just about maybe imagine that it was possible at that price based on the way the amount of bang you get for your buck increases over the years. Struggling to believe it though all the same. To be fair if told in 2014 that you could get something like this for approx £130 delivered in 2015 then I would not have believed that either.

 

[Chip]

Take this one with a bucket of salt. The "company" behind it has no actual products to its name, and nothing exists yet except a fancy website and some renders. However, if it isn't a straight-up scam and they do manage to produce this device for the claimed price, it will be pretty damn impressive.

They're not accepting preorders yet, which is actually a good sign from a maybe-not-a-scam perspective. The company (supposedly) is claiming a price of $250 for the "hardcore" version, and $210 for the "Lite" over on the gamedev.net forums. This seems a little too good to be true.

There are some more renders (but not much more actual info) on the PGS website.

Personally, I'd love if this were real. I'd buy one in a heartbeat at $250, or hell, even $350. But I don't hold out much hope for this actually getting made at this price point any time soon, it at all.

 

[TrashyMG]

Old News...

EDIT: Merged threads in to the thread in the Other Console section.

 

[Chip]

I only posted a new thread because this one wasn't showing up, and searching "PGS" in thread titles gave no results. Was this in a different forum?

 

[TrashyMG]

I only posted a new thread because this one wasn't showing up, and searching "PGS" in thread titles gave no results. Was this in a different forum?

It was in the Offtopic section.

 

[FBnil]

And all that for ~250$? HOW?

T-shirts in Bangladesh are less than 50 dollarcents.... but they get sold for more than 15 in the store... HOW? Slave^H^H^Hcheap labour.
http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/BD/t--shirt-prices.html

 

[Exophase]

At least no one can deny it'd be good for DS emulation...

The renders look slick, but I'm not convinced by renders. The sliding + minor pivoting mechanism looks novel and interesting, but again I'm going to believe it when I see it in a prototype. I mean, they say they have a prototype, but I bet it's just some eval boards wired together. I have a good feeling that the realistic performance of this SoC crammed into this form-factor will be below the numbers they're reporting from their testing.

The tentative price seems very unrealistic. I will be absolutely floored if they can hit anywhere close to $250 or $210 for these two models. $300/$350 is probably viable nonetheless. 8GB of RAM is arguably too much, 4GB/2GB for the two models would seem more reasonable to me. The resolution of the extreme version is excessive, but it's also kind of a good thing to have it be an integer multiple of the lower version.

Five channel sound system seems incredibly silly. So we're talking four speakers and a subwoofer inside this little device? Really? That's not what they're actually doing is it?

I want a keyboard, but frankly I'm not sure I'd actually prefer the GPD Win's terrible keyboard over a touchscreen. Okay, for some things I still would. I wonder if it'd be possible to do

There seems to be no mention of SD card expansion at all. That's not good.

And lastly, they say they posted it on that forum to get user feedback... so why is the thread locked?

 

[Alperoot]

I just saw this thread, liked the device and

learnt that it is probably a scam...

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

It's a scam, scram!

 

[vcoleiro1]

So I got some feedback from them on a forum thread they started. Here's the conversation so far

• vcoleiro1
  @PGSLab
  
  When will you have a prototype ready?
  
  By the way, I'd lose that gimmicky second screen, put the controls in a line above and then add a keyboard in the bottom half. There is a number of games that won't even boot unless they detect a keyboard is attached
• 
  PGSLab
  @vcoleiro1 Hi. We know about keyboard detection issue in some games. To solve this problem, we wrote a simple driver that emulates a keyboard connection.
  The already have prototypes. We plan to release the final examples of the device in June-Jule 2016
  • vcoleiro1
    @PGSLab
    
    If you already have a prototype, I think you should show it now. There is a strong opinion on the internet that this is vapour ware at best. That is what people are saying. So showing even a crude prototype now could help convince people otherwise. Also, no one can find any info on your company PGSLab, there is no About section on your site and Google searches come up dry. The only info people have found is that your site is hosted in Russia. But nothing about your company
    
    Also, the second talking point is the price, is the plan to still make the extreme model $250. Or is that price likely to change
    
    By the way, a keyboard would be far better than that touchscreen. Second touch screens always end up gimmicky unless like the NDS you have an eco system built around it to support it. But if your locked into that second screen, I suppose me saying this is meaningless.
    
    Have you guys seen the Pandora (and soon to be released Pyra) and the GPD WIN?
• 
  PGSLab12
  @vcoleiro Hi. Thanks for suggestions.
  We have several test prototypes, but they are far from what can be shown on the photos ("Frankenstein prototypes" - without case, second display etc). Soon we will have a prototype similar to the final render, which we show in the forums and the press.
  And sure, we know about Pandora\Pyra\GPD WIN.
  Pandora and Pyra are interesting devices. They certainly good fit for emulators. Unfortunately, they are not compatible with Windows games.
  GPD - is pretty well-proven team of developers of gaming systems. Although GPD WIN their first device on Windows, we have no doubt in their success. But unfortunately, in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory. We wish them luck and hope that they will reconsider their choice about 8500.
  Details about the PGS team, we can tell you later, because the team is still in the process of formation. But now I can say that every member of the team is a fan of portable gaming systems and a highly qualified specialist of his field. Our multilingual team has Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians and Indians. Among them, engineers, IT specialists, programmers, etc.
  We very much want the community understands - we realy want to do the best thing in the portable gaming world. Quality materials, quality device. From portable gamers for portable gamers.
  

 

[Klumpen]

So I got some feedback from them on a forum thread they started. Here's the conversation so far [snip]

Still sounds like bullshit to me.

 

[thatgui]

Hmm, the price point and form factor would make it quite interesting as a phone replacement, but with everything they say they cram into that case, I have a feeling you will run from wall socket to wall socket with that thing (especially with the qhd version) and probably buy a therapy flatrate from your local hand surgeon - the nubs do not look comfortable to use. 5.1 Sound - how silly is that ? this sounds more like "we still have space left, can we put in another feature?" kind of thing.
Hopefully people here get the Pyra as a phone thing working really well - if this materializes into something that can actually be bought from a "not so shady" store and as ok battery runtime, I would buy one, slap Linux on it (if possible) and use the phone - software part of the Pyra (using the Pyra as a phone would be to akward for me).

 

[Djoga'Ro]

... (using the Pyra as a phone would be to akward for me).

That ain't awkward since 1966:

 

[Ian J]

Definitely interesting times with the price of new hardware coming out but there is always something that makes me say no I'll wait for a Pyra.

No keyboard

No Clamshell

Placement of analogue sticks.

 

[thatgui]

That ain't awkward since 1966:

Except that he could not hold a Pyra like that > more like a Taco-shell, but she probably does not taste as good

 

[Djoga'Ro]

Except that he could not hold a Pyra like that

Well, things are becoming bigger and better

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

Might be a pipe-dream as opposed to a scam.

 

[Chip]

Except that he could not hold a Pyra like that > more like a Taco-shell, but she probably does not taste as good

Depending on speaker and mic placement, you could always go full sidetalker.

Might be a pipe-dream as opposed to a scam.

This seems far more likely. If it were a straight-up scam, you'd think they'd have gone straight for the quick preorder/crowdfunding money. That they're holding off on that until they have an actual prototype leads me to believe they're just overly-ambitious, not actually malicious.

The sliding + minor pivoting mechanism looks novel and interesting, but again I'm going to believe it when I see it in a prototype

It's been done before. The HTC tilt2 comes to mind, and I know there have been a couple others as well. But being able to create a hinge like this and being able to make one that won't break in the first 2 weeks are two completely different things.

 

[Foxgod]

it looks like a phone stacked on the lower side of a Nintendo 3ds.
I like it, hopefully they can pull it off.
Il still get the Pyra, but i wouldnt mind to have a Windows device alongside it.

 

[error]

learnt that it is probably a scam...

It's a scam, scram!

Still sounds like bullshit to me.