Our New Machine, Pandora
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Orkie
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Goodbye then, please don't bother hanging around when the GP2X community is dead and buried.naples39 said:
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sam fisher
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This is being made by a UK company. Pay UK prices or just fuck off, simple as that. "I want, I want" doesn't always lead to "I get". You are like a spoilt child demanding constant spoiling.
God Ginrai
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Exophase
Nothing good will ever come of Exophase.
You guys are all being really hard on the people who aren't willing to pay $400 for a device. Although you might be bitter that the USA has gotten cheaper prices for a lot of devices that doesn't mean we're "spoiled", fact is that UK has a higher standard of living. The minimum wage alone is much higher than it is in the USA. Go to a country like Austria and you'll see how expensive everything is there, maybe you'll understand what I'm talking about.
The people who buy devices like Nokia's N800 will be willing to pay $400 for something comparable. For that price the keyboard is probably an important piece of hardware to distinguish it. Normally I would have preferred that this is a gaming device first and a UMPC-like device second, but if more broad appeal is necessary to get cutting edge hardware then I'm more for that. If it's sold as a gaming device it just isn't going to do well against the competition unless it gets something with amazing graphics/gameplay. I don't know how much the general population cares about emulation, but the device isn't going to offer a ton more than something like GP2X or PSP from the very start.
When you get down to it, few people are going to choose not to buy the device if it has i.MX31 instead of OMAP3430, and a lot of people will choose not to buy it if it costs more. But that could change if some incredible software comes out that separates it from the crowd. The market is full of i.MX31 or similar devices, and while none of them really do anything to take advantage of the power in the handheld it'd still be nice to push handheld power to the limits. It may mean less sales (at least at first), but I think it'd have a bigger impact on future handheld development.
The people who buy devices like Nokia's N800 will be willing to pay $400 for something comparable. For that price the keyboard is probably an important piece of hardware to distinguish it. Normally I would have preferred that this is a gaming device first and a UMPC-like device second, but if more broad appeal is necessary to get cutting edge hardware then I'm more for that. If it's sold as a gaming device it just isn't going to do well against the competition unless it gets something with amazing graphics/gameplay. I don't know how much the general population cares about emulation, but the device isn't going to offer a ton more than something like GP2X or PSP from the very start.
When you get down to it, few people are going to choose not to buy the device if it has i.MX31 instead of OMAP3430, and a lot of people will choose not to buy it if it costs more. But that could change if some incredible software comes out that separates it from the crowd. The market is full of i.MX31 or similar devices, and while none of them really do anything to take advantage of the power in the handheld it'd still be nice to push handheld power to the limits. It may mean less sales (at least at first), but I think it'd have a bigger impact on future handheld development.
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199£ == $426.679 CAD
Still within what I'd pay
Our neighbors to the South just aren't used to having a crap dollar
Still within what I'd pay
Our neighbors to the South just aren't used to having a crap dollar
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God Ginrai - I would delete that comment if I were you. Your comment markets this new console solely as a device for pirating commercial games (which is why I haven't quoted it!) Even if you use it for that purpose, don't soil this forum for others.
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I can see how some of the recent posts are hard on the ones who wouldn't pay $400, but how is mine? I was just explaining WHY that $400 is actually worth it.Exophase said:
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Havn't posted here much, but have been following the development of this machine since craigx 1st hinted at it. As a younger person, I've little interest in machines before my generation (i.e. pre-psx... maybe bordering on better SNES games) and so never coughed up for a gp2x. However this machine has really started to excite me, as it's becoming what I've been waiting for; a powerful open handheld with good opengl support! Going off to UNI, for comp. sci. this year, this handheld will be perfect for me, as it wont restrict me as much as the gp2x would have done and at the same time I wont have to enter the world of PC homebrew, where many great homebrew games are ignored because most people think only games from large developers, with crysis graphics are worth playing (ok, maybe flash games have dented this somewhat...)
Anyway, coming from rip-off britain, I believe £200 is fine for a quality handheld (especially when you compare to the fact that at the time of writing, on amazon.co.uk the £399 Nokia N95 is the best selling phone, followed by the £565.94 Nokia 8800 http://amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st/026-341539...sort=salesrank)
Also don't forget that by making the handheld more powerful & expensive you are alienating some of the market, but when you make it less powerful and cheaper, you alienate another, different part. In the end you have to strike a balance between these two.
In short; in my opinion; get the most powerful handheld possible, without compromising quality, at a price of below ~£220
And as for all Americans complaining; HAHAP), see how it feels when you have to pay a bit more than you're used to? Now take that, and apply it to every piece of technology you can buy, and that's how us Britains feel.
Anyway, coming from rip-off britain, I believe £200 is fine for a quality handheld (especially when you compare to the fact that at the time of writing, on amazon.co.uk the £399 Nokia N95 is the best selling phone, followed by the £565.94 Nokia 8800 http://amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st/026-341539...sort=salesrank)
Also don't forget that by making the handheld more powerful & expensive you are alienating some of the market, but when you make it less powerful and cheaper, you alienate another, different part. In the end you have to strike a balance between these two.
In short; in my opinion; get the most powerful handheld possible, without compromising quality, at a price of below ~£220
And as for all Americans complaining; HAHA
P), see how it feels when you have to pay a bit more than you're used to? Now take that, and apply it to every piece of technology you can buy, and that's how us Britains feel.
Exophase
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I was more referring to the people basically telling him that if he doesn't like it he can leave ;PGod Ginrai said:
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Jeez guys. Craigix asked for thoughts on the pricepoint, and I gave mine. Surely I am not the only American who is not willing to pay $400 to play retro games. Obviously there are a ton of guys here who want all the power they can get and will happily pay for it. I'm not saying you guys are wrong for wanting it yourself. Take a deep breath. My point is that a lot of people who bought the GP2X at ~$200 are NOT going to be willing to pay double that for a new device.I still stand by my main point, which is that 200 pounds in the UK market is irrelevant to whether $400 is reasonable in the american market.
Maybe craigix thinks it's worth it to sacrifice to a good chunk of the american market if he thinks it will serve the UK market better. You are right about is that it's a UK company, and that's his call. But simply because it's an UK company doesn't answer the question because I'm sure craig is counting on sales in america.
You guys are lashing out any who disagrees with you, and calling anyone who thinks differently from you "spoiled," or telling them to fuck off or get out. Grow up. I've gone back and read craig's posts again and I can't find the part where he says "pay $400 or fuck off assholes!!"
So anyway, I'm sure craig and the gang have read my posts by now, so this will be my last post about the price point, so you guys can keep the name calling and personal attacks to yourself.
You are saying "I want, I want" as much as I am. It's really no different on your end so your argument has no teeth.sam fisher said:
Maybe craigix thinks it's worth it to sacrifice to a good chunk of the american market if he thinks it will serve the UK market better. You are right about is that it's a UK company, and that's his call. But simply because it's an UK company doesn't answer the question because I'm sure craig is counting on sales in america.
You guys are lashing out any who disagrees with you, and calling anyone who thinks differently from you "spoiled," or telling them to fuck off or get out. Grow up. I've gone back and read craig's posts again and I can't find the part where he says "pay $400 or fuck off assholes!!"
So anyway, I'm sure craig and the gang have read my posts by now, so this will be my last post about the price point, so you guys can keep the name calling and personal attacks to yourself.
Again, you're asking the wrong question. The question isn't how many things it can do, the question is how many MORE things can it do that the GP2X can't, and whether that is worth throwing down another $400 just for those extra things. If it's worth it to you great, but just because a few more systems isn't worth $400 to me doesn't make me bad at math.God Ginrai said:
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I think that's the problem; why would you buy another handheld, if your gp2x can play most retro games fine? From what I can see, the whole point of this handheld, is to go further than play retro games!naples39 said:
(I'm assuming you're not including psx & N64 under "retro")
EDIT: damn
, you edited your post (or I missed the last part), which made my post less potent
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naples39 said:Jeez guys. Craigix asked for thoughts on the pricepoint, and I gave mine. Surely I am not the only American who is not willing to pay $400 to play retro games. Obviously there are a ton of guys here who want all the power they can get and will happily pay for it. I'm not saying you guys are wrong for wanting it yourself. Take a deep breath. My point is that a lot of people who bought the GP2X at ~$200 are NOT going to be willing to pay double that for a new device.I still stand by my main point, which is that 200 pounds in the UK market is irrelevant to whether $400 is reasonable in the american market.
You are saying "I want, I want" as much as I am. It's really no different on your end so your argument has no teeth.sam fisher said:
Maybe craigix thinks it's worth it to sacrifice to a good chunk of the american market if he thinks it will serve the UK market better. You are right about is that it's a UK company, and that's his call. But simply because it's an UK company doesn't answer the question because I'm sure craig is counting on sales in america.
You guys are lashing out any who disagrees with you, and calling anyone who thinks differently from you "spoiled," or telling them to fuck off or get out. Grow up. I've gone back and read craig's posts again and I can't find the part where he says "pay $400 or fuck off assholes!!"
So anyway, I'm sure craig and the gang have read my posts by now, so this will be my last post about the price point, so you guys can keep the name calling and personal attacks to yourself.
Again, you're asking the wrong question. The question isn't how many things it can do, the question is how many MORE things can it do that the GP2X can't, and whether that is worth throwing down another $400 just for those extra things. If it's worth it to you great, but just because a few more systems isn't worth $400 to me doesn't make me bad at math.God Ginrai said:
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Eolair
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It's $345 unless Craigix forgot to add UK VAT. I don't think he did or it would be £233 for us Europeans... that would be way too expensive (at least for a gaming handheld).
I would very much like to know a price estimate for a system using the i.MX31. Would it be £15 cheaper or £50? I think that matters a lot in this discussion.
I would very much like to know a price estimate for a system using the i.MX31. Would it be £15 cheaper or £50? I think that matters a lot in this discussion.
Nova
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God, you are a belligerant bastard.sam fisher said:
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Yrx
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There is absolutely no way I could pay $400...
But then again, who is this being sold to? I honestly have no idea how old and how employed everyone is here. I'm just a college kid getting by on a scholarship, and I felt bad wasting all my savings on a GP2X last July. So is this one going to be for people like me, or people who can use money to start their fires in the Winter?
If this is going to stay a niche product, then this price is fine. You'll keep most of the community happy, and maybe pick up a couple new guys. But there's no way it could ever really take off, regardless of how powerful it is.
EDIT: Either way, it would definitely be worth it to get some comaprisons in power. This entire argument may be a moot point, if we're lucky.
But then again, who is this being sold to? I honestly have no idea how old and how employed everyone is here. I'm just a college kid getting by on a scholarship, and I felt bad wasting all my savings on a GP2X last July. So is this one going to be for people like me, or people who can use money to start their fires in the Winter?
If this is going to stay a niche product, then this price is fine. You'll keep most of the community happy, and maybe pick up a couple new guys. But there's no way it could ever really take off, regardless of how powerful it is.
EDIT: Either way, it would definitely be worth it to get some comaprisons in power. This entire argument may be a moot point, if we're lucky.
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