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If a default choice is set, which desktop environment the Pyra OS should have ?

Discussion in 'Pyra OS (Debian GNU/Linux)' started by Linux-SWAT, Sep 12, 2016.

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If a default choice is set, which desktop environment the Pyra should have ?

  1. Enlightenment

    7.3%
  2. GNOME2/MATE

    16.3%
  3. GNOME3

    4.1%
  4. KDE/Plasma

    9.8%
  5. LXDE

    21.1%
  6. MiniMenu

    16.3%
  7. TDE

    2.4%
  8. Unity

    3.3%
  9. Xfce

    74.8%
  10. EvilWM

    1.6%
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  1. Swordfish II

    Swordfish II Very Active Member

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    I love xfce on my pandora (never used mini menu). I user lxde on my original eeepc 701. They are great on small screens, and familiar to most users.
     
  2. ible

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    https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html

    @levi
    you find this out when you hit mod+s or mod+w accidentally, and wish you hadn't... :(

    but yes, no one is arguing for i3 to be the default wm. it is also very little inconvenience to do "sudo apt-get install i3", as it is already more inconvenient to update the i3 configs as i like them.
     
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  3. ClockworkCoder

    ClockworkCoder Very Active Member

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    Fortunately this is something one should only need to do once, as is the case for most suchlike configurations.
     
  4. sqff

    sqff Still Fresh

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    Have you ever opened a piece of gtk2-gui that has no scroll bar but a fixed window size that is bigger than your screen? In such cases you can't hit the [cancel] and [ok] buttons.
    I have; on a netbook with a larger screen and similar resolution.
    I'm glad that it works for you... I'm not enthusiastic though.
    New users will dislike that particular experience if it happens, which it hopefully won't.
     
  5. Swordfish II

    Swordfish II Very Active Member

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    Yep i have on the eeepc, and it does suck, a little alt-f4 takes care of it or i can hit the very top of the buttons with the mouse. The pandora has never had those issues as the porters do a great job of scaling the software. Even still that doesn't happen often.
     
  6. elvissteinjr

    elvissteinjr Very Active Member

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    Here's a small surprise: A different desktop environment won't save you from applications having too large windows.
    Alt-dragging is a thing when you do come across such a window.

    Fixed windows that are too large at 720p should be rather rare nowadays, though.
     
  7. sqff

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    I was thinking about that as well. Some DEs have this concept where the screen shows a part of your desktop and you move that screen like you would in an rts game, like warcraft. Plasma has that. And the pyra has perfect controls for it. Perhaps something can be done with that.
    I am not entierly convinced that alt-dragging is a good solution, it's just a workaround maybe. You are of course totally right that it's the application's fault. But, in my experience (and i might be wrong) this doesn't happen as often with gnome3 as it did with 2. Perhaps because the design principles have evolved and designers & devs do a better job today. I am definitely willing to give anything a try if someone has put some thought into it. But, just picking someone's favourite WM or DE from a totally different context is weird.
     
  8. Silent-Hunter

    Silent-Hunter Advanced Member

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    Try mod+W, that does it for me, by default.
     
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  9. levi

    levi Still fresh, damnit!

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    Yes, and I even find that often when I'm in the keyboard settings dialogue in the pandora OS (because I need to reenable some keyboard shortcuts it's omitted to enable during boot). But I just need to hold down the left shoulder button (shift) and the right stick left (left mouse button) and then I can drag the window at will. On my openbox laptop it's alt+left mouse and drag that moves windows around which I think it the standard keyconfig, but on Pandora the left shoulder is more accessible so that has been configured.

    It would be better if that xfce4 dialogue was redone for Pandora, and it's not at all user friendly to have to know this magic incantation to handle big windows, but its something I'd advise any user of small resolution screens and various linux DE's needs to learn, because it's got me out of trouble on plenty of occasions and allows me to test websites at resolutions bigger than this screen by dragging the browser window mostly off screen then dragging it bigger, and repeating that process.

    @Silent-Hunter Thanks, but ible already covered that in much more detail for me.
     
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  10. elvissteinjr

    elvissteinjr Very Active Member

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    Current Xfce versions handle that in the settings manager by plugging the separate dialogs into the manager window which is then scrollable. So it would be somewhat handled if we had a newer build.
     
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  11. Grench

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    IMHO - minimenu wasn't to my liking.

    On the Pandora screen, the insane accuracy of the pointed resistive stylus/screen combo gave nearly pixel-accurate selection after a bit of practice.

    The people who made the Pandora's PND system were very smart in how they set things up. Depending on what folder you stored the PND file in, the program could be selected from the menu or the menu & a desktop icon. If you like minimenu, just put the programs that you're wanting to have as desktop icons in the right directory and done - still with a full desktop OS in a handheld. I'm assuming a similar setup is in store for the Pyra.

    If you have only used phone screens with fingers or gigantic rubber crayon styluses, you can be forgiven if you think it won't work. Yes, they have done a lot with predictive models to figure out that if you're right handed, your intended selection is offset X% from center of the registered blob contacted by your finger/stylus/salami. They're only as accurate as their algorithm and can be frustrating to use. It's like trying to write small with a crayon. You can go through the motions, but it isn't likely to be legible.

    If you've ever used a Samsung Galaxy Note product's thin active capacitive stylus - that is similar in accuracy to the plastic stylus on the resistive screen Pandora. You can see the point of the stylus - and see the screen around it. It is far more like using a mini pen/pencil and it's inherent accuracy.

    How about this. Take a pencil or pen and a piece of paper. Draw the smallest square that you can that can still be discerned as a square. Now try to touch the center of the square with the pencil/pen tip. Odds are pretty good you were able to.

    But what if I don't want to get out a stylus and point-select on the screen or loose my stylus or...

    Pretty much any plastic tipped object can be used as a stylus.

    Those nubs in the middle of the Pyra are also usable as pointing devices. They are analog nubs. The further you move the nub from center the faster the mouse goes in that direction. Fine movement and fast movement are both available from the same control. This gives VERY accurate selection fairly quickly. No mouse needed.

    If your only experience with small screens is on phones designed for fingers, then you're unlikely to know what a small screen is really capable of.
     

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