Here we have a Linux user who is actually able to get into a noobs perspective - it warms my heart.True, but having more than one default can make support more difficult.
New-to-Linux user asks, "How do I do XYZ?"
Community has to respond, "Which DE?"
New-to-Linux user, "What's a DE?"
Could you please document that process in the wiki, just in case Ingolstadt gets nuked?If I can do it, anyone can.I wonder, would it be feasible for an "advanced user" to make their own rootfs? Is it a somewhat automated process or does it require lots of manual intervention?
If it's not too much work then either users could make rootfs images for their own use, and even maybe share with community.
Use that script with caution, it makes some dangerous assumptions especially if you forget to give it a drive in the command line. I typically use aTc's images... which is just taking a raw rootfs and untaring another file with the kernel and modules.
If I get this right, then it's essentially a window manager forked from mutter and the plank dock, started by a lightdm fork.I don't think it's compilable on arm yet but the Pantheon desktop used in elementary os would be really slick
it's a whole user experience, from the login screen (lightdm?) to the desktop, dock and a set of basic applications, such as a notepad, music player, browser, you get the idea.If I get this right, then it's essentially a window manager forked from mutter and the plank dock, started by a lightdm fork.
What would make it especially suited for the Pyra that justifies maintaining a whole new desktop by the Pyra community (it's not in Debian), instead of just using any other desktop already available in Debian and just adding a dock?
No, I don't get the idea. That might be because I'm usually not sexually aroused by the user interface my operating system presents.it's a whole user experience, from the login screen (lightdm?) to the desktop, dock and a set of basic applications, such as a notepad, music player, browser, you get the idea
it's slick and sexy, and imo provides a great desktop UX
You're partly right. I only have it installed in a VM but I haven't done much in it. Also Gnome is not my favourite desktop, although I can see why some people prefer it. So I might not be able to appreciate subtle differences between Gnome + Plank and Pantheon.It sounds like you didn't get the idea because you haven't used it.
Then I'll ask you too, to name actual scenarios on the Pyra, where and how the Pantheon desktop performs better than anything that's available in Debian right now!It is by far the easiest OS to use, bar none.
This thread is about which desktops should be included in the default PyraOS image.Not saying it makes sense from a maintainers point of view, but certainly it is more consistently novice-friendly than anything else.
Please elaborate on that "crucially"!It is not far removed technically from gnome3 with a dock, but it is crucially different in how it engages the user.
This is not about me, it's about the contents of the default image. If it shipped plain Gnome I'd still not be the target demographic.But I'd understand why it's there, because 1. Gnome is Debian's default desktop and 2. Gnome seems to work quite well on touch screens.If those, subtle or not, details are lost on you, then consider yourself to be not in the targeted demographic.
You can install and use anything you like. No so for those not accustomed or quite as apt.
Yet, you still don't name any concrete examples for what Patheon does so much better than any other desktop that's already available in Debian.Close to nobody is even suggesting GNOME3, and for good reasons why not, pantheon does things differently.
The visuals are consistent, the shortcuts make sense, it gets out of your way. It does things in expected mannners, making it all seem tangible to even the most modest of black-arts userskill levels.
Nobody is trying to do that, so this is a straw man argument.We can either try to forge users in our ways,
I think you know the answer.Hang on, do we have to get approval from Sulu as to what our favourite desktop environment would be? When did this happen?
But why is it so important that you are given the reasons for people's choices?This thread is not about anybody's favourite DE, it's about the default contents of the standard PyraOS image, and for that you need to find a balance between "user friendliness"* and "maintainer friendliness"**. Pantheon as it is puts a heavy burden on the maintainer's side. To balance this it would have to come with very strong arguments on the user's side.
So far I haven't read a single argument that could even stand up to a critical judgment because due to lack of hard facts there is nothing to judge.