SNESFAN
Retro game fanatic
the posts are relevant to a device that's in development and it's progress
I personally don't like reading shitposts in a thread about a device I'm interested in.
GPD Win (x86 Computer / Palmtop)
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I personally don't like reading shitposts in a thread about a device I'm interested in.
levi
Still fresh, damnit!
Looks grey in those pics, especially the first one!
directive0
Very Active Member
Seriously? I'd be really disappointed in this forum if it attempted to shape the flow of information or dialogue to help sell Pyras. I think the Pyra and the philosophies it operates under demand better than that.
ible
professional vim user
yeah, don't need to hide from the "competition." one could argue they offer something completely different, so it's not really competition, but to some consumers it is. but for those on the fence, it's important that they figure out which one works best for them.
Stouffa
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I've my Pyra ordered and I do also own a GPD XD so when the WIN was announced I thought it looked very interesting. It does seem like they're making good progress with the prototype but I'm curious how it'll manage with storage issues? Modern Windows games are pretty huge storage wise and I'm pretty sure that it will run out on the device rather fast once a few games are installed! At least the PND/ Pyra DBP systems are much better adapted to the concept or interchangeable mobile storage. It'll be interesting to see what the final version from GPD turns out like and if the keyboard and gaming toggle switches are user friendly or not!
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Steam lets you pick a drive to install games to so you can use that to install games to sd card.
Storage could be an issue, depending on games you want to play, yes.
Most games I'd play would probably be indie games with only a few MB or GB storage each, but I know some Windows games take up 40GB and more... even with a 256GB MicroSD Card, the storage would be full with 6 of these games.
I've already got a 256GB and 64GB card in my Pandora and can imagine I will need more on the Pyra (PSP and DC-Games added...)
Most games I'd play would probably be indie games with only a few MB or GB storage each, but I know some Windows games take up 40GB and more... even with a 256GB MicroSD Card, the storage would be full with 6 of these games.
I've already got a 256GB and 64GB card in my Pandora and can imagine I will need more on the Pyra (PSP and DC-Games added...)
slaeshjag
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How sad will steam become if you then unplug that SD card and put in another one, possibly to try installing some other games to?
Not that much, I do that with an external harddrive all the time. It's a bit of a hassle if you do this while Steam is running, because you have to set up the external library again.
comradekingu
Glowing ember
It will throw an error asking you to relocate the files it cant find, whether that works or not, haven't tried.
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I used to have some steam games on an external eSATA drive. It won't really do much until you try and launch the game, then it will complain it's not present. If you plug it back in and it has the same path it will work again without problems. This is all experience with the Linux version of Steam, I haven't used the Windows version in a long time.
That comparison is a bit unfair: Most of the Windows games that use 20GB+ of storage are Triple A games post 2010. These will probably never run on the WIN, no matter if you have the storage or not. But generally I agree, software on Windows rarely references third-party libraries to safe storage like Linux does with its dependency tree, so even a 200GB µSD can be filled up quite easily. But not as easily as you described it, (almost) no one will even try to run GTA V (65GB on my harddrive) or something similarly power-hungry it on the WIN.
It's not unfair, I mentioned that upfront: Depending on the games you like to play. I've seen other Windows games that need a lot of storage for some weird reason (uncompressed music, etc.).
And... well, I actually expect some of the backers to run TripleA titles on the GPD Win. There are probably many who don't know much about computers but see that the GPD Win will be a fully portable Windows 10 system... I can imagine quite a few one will expect recent games.
Yes, that won't work well, and we know that... but I can imagine they have a lot more users who don't know as much about technology than we have here.
I can also imagine a lot of users will try to run Steam games, and they seem to use a LOT of storage on my computer.
Stuff like Brütal Legend, Sims 3, etc.
@EvilDragon
I expect even the dumbest Windows user to either understand minimum system requirements or to deinstall games that don't work at all on the system, though of course they leave behind a lot of data in the user folder. Yes, a few ones will be even more idiotic than I can imagine (that always happens to me), but I'd be surprised if they are an important, big part of the GPD community. Or at least I hope...
One of the reasons I don't want a GPD Win, by the way, is that there's not enough storage space to put my lossless music and Blu-Ray rips on. That stuff is the best if you're on a train but too tired to play video games.
I expect even the dumbest Windows user to either understand minimum system requirements or to deinstall games that don't work at all on the system, though of course they leave behind a lot of data in the user folder. Yes, a few ones will be even more idiotic than I can imagine (that always happens to me), but I'd be surprised if they are an important, big part of the GPD community. Or at least I hope...
One of the reasons I don't want a GPD Win, by the way, is that there's not enough storage space to put my lossless music and Blu-Ray rips on. That stuff is the best if you're on a train but too tired to play video games.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Many users these days have no idea about different processors, they just read the specs. And that says 2,24GHz QuadCore.
There are also Core i7 with 2,5GHz CPUs, so they might think it's not that much slower.
That's something I learned during the last 10 years: Users often simply compare MHz/GHz, they don't know that you can only do that when the processor is basically the same.
And as they see that it runs Windows 10 (and not 7 or older), these users also think it's a current-state PC (well, it is, but not a current-state DESKTOP-PC)
Additionally, GPD put this on the Indiegogo page:
So for these users who are not that experienced, it once again sounds it can play current games and playing older games is even harder.
Well, I expect some users to have problems getting their CD Games installed, as they would need an USB CD Drive as well... so they will use their downloaded games, which often are newer ones.
The GPD Win will be a neat system for sure, but using Windows 10 and an x86 CPU will also attract users who have not really a clue about PCs
Many users these days have no idea about different processors, they just read the specs. And that says 2,24GHz QuadCore.
There are also Core i7 with 2,5GHz CPUs, so they might think it's not that much slower.
That's something I learned during the last 10 years: Users often simply compare MHz/GHz, they don't know that you can only do that when the processor is basically the same.
And as they see that it runs Windows 10 (and not 7 or older), these users also think it's a current-state PC (well, it is, but not a current-state DESKTOP-PC)
Additionally, GPD put this on the Indiegogo page:
So for these users who are not that experienced, it once again sounds it can play current games and playing older games is even harder.
Well, I expect some users to have problems getting their CD Games installed, as they would need an USB CD Drive as well... so they will use their downloaded games, which often are newer ones.
The GPD Win will be a neat system for sure, but using Windows 10 and an x86 CPU will also attract users who have not really a clue about PCs
vcoleiro1
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There might be a small amount of people that do that. But there is always a small amount of people that do something stupid. I've seen a number of people who bought the pandora and had no idea about Linux and then decided to sell it because it was to complicated for them too work out.
Generally speaking, from what I've seen from people commenting on stories about the WIN , it's completely the other way. Every story on the WIN usually has many comments saying it won't play PC games period. Then there is the comments defending it saying it will play old games. I have yet to see someone say it will play a AAA super demanding game as if that was expected. Occassioannally you get a tentative question like, will it be able to play so and so game and questions about frame rates
Let's not forget the target market here, it's gamers and geeks, ie not groups usually known to be tech idiots.
I seriously doubt many people are going to think that, especially when the evidence to date is overwhelmingly the other way.
Generally speaking, from what I've seen from people commenting on stories about the WIN , it's completely the other way. Every story on the WIN usually has many comments saying it won't play PC games period. Then there is the comments defending it saying it will play old games. I have yet to see someone say it will play a AAA super demanding game as if that was expected. Occassioannally you get a tentative question like, will it be able to play so and so game and questions about frame rates
Let's not forget the target market here, it's gamers and geeks, ie not groups usually known to be tech idiots.
I seriously doubt many people are going to think that, especially when the evidence to date is overwhelmingly the other way.
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Yep, those groups always exist, but they are larger the more popular something becomes and the more mainstream it gets.
Believe me, I got TONS of weird questions after the WIZ was featured on some news websites. It tripled the sales, but I also got tons of questions like "How can I install my Windows games" and stuff like that.
I rarely got questions like those before - and I don't compare total numbers but percentages of sales.
Also, Golem.de (a huge tech news website in Germany) made a review of the GPD XD.
Before that, out of 20 sold units, I had about 1 returned to me.
After the review, sales tripled, but returns increased a LOT more. Now out of 20 sold units, I have about 5 returns.
That value is five times higher.
I can see a similar effect with my shop: When it was smaller, I had almost NO returns, as the people who found my shop KNEW what they were buying.
Now I also sell on Amazon. Most of the returns I have are from users who bought via Amazon.
The more you reach outside of your niche, the more non-techy people you'll reach.
