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JDTAY

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Hospitalizations in my state are still going down apparently, thanks to three new days of data from the weekend. My county’s case rate is down, but is still higher than the surrounding counties’ case rates.
 

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So, after roughly 45 pages of comments: What do you think about getting a vaccine?
Some of you already got a sticker, some might be holding out. Did any of the posts change your mind?
 

FBnil

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>Did any of the posts change your mind?
Yes, some of the web articles out there are blown out of proportion to make a point. And I've found it comforting that there are many here that look at real data and help debunk some of the wild ideas. It pulled me towards a more neutral position. Which helped me while investigating and see all aspects; the good and the bad.
 
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Did any of the posts change your mind?
Yes - @JDTAY s posts about India helped me realise that billions of people would think I'm a complete idiot and asshole for turning down a vaccine.

I don't care about putting junk in my vein. I do take huge offense being lied to though (propaganda). But I just internalized that and did it.
 

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Real effectivity of the vaccine

Number needed to vaccinate (NNV): 132

IFR: 0.15 or lower

To save one from/with corona you must inject 132/0.0015 = 88000 people.

By injecting the whole of Amsterdam you prevent 7 deaths by corona.

in other News: The Dutch Corona prevention rules now depend on the vaccination grade of the Dutch people. (with guaranteed lockdown when winter starts, like in Australia)

want to look up the math?
"NNVs were lowest in people aged at least 70 years: 351 (196 for best-case, 816 for worst-case scenario)". Should I take worst case instead?




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Old news, but why does dailymail post more-than-a-year-old news? It couldn't be that they were asked to censor that info at that time?

speculation: For now this is what the route is for the lab-virus (covid is a lab virus theory):
MERS -> USA -> Canada -> China

Saudi's gave USA the MERS virus for analysis. Then USA subcontracted Canada for checks. There, some chinese stole the virus. Meanwhile some Dutch actually patented the sequence. Then China coerced USA to give them money. So if this is true, there are 2 scenario's: USA leaked the virus. China let the virus escape.
Either scenario points fingers to both USA and China.
 
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By injecting the whole of Amsterdam you prevent 7 deaths by corona.
Therefor the aim is vaccinate the whole country not just Amsterdam :)

You should not only focus on deaths but also on Intensive Care, not everybody on the IC will die, but any person for wich we can prevent them having to get intensive care opens up a spot for some other patient (without covid). Prevention of severe sympthoms will aleiviate hospitals and will lead to better care.

For the corona is a lab based experiment/Covid was designed. I think you might overestimate "our" designing power, even if we wanted to make a pandemic virus we would probably not succeed. Evolution is much better at "designing".
 

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I just received an email from my daughters schools headmaster and there is a high likelyhood that there will be increased restrictions in the UK soon.

The number of cases have doubled this month, and deaths are up slightly too. This is with 75% of adults vaccinated.

I find these figures bewildering.

I know you can get covid post-vaccination. That slope of infections is quite steep.

I question the motive of further restrictions unless deaths increase substantially. Reducing the burden on the national health service at the expense of liberty and business is wrong at this point.

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I just received an email from my daughters schools headmaster and there is a high likelyhood that there will be increased restrictions in the UK soon.

The number of cases have doubled this month, and deaths are up slightly too. This is with 75% of adults vaccinated.

I find these figures bewildering.

I know you can get covid post-vaccination. That slope of infections is quite steep.
I've heard the UK is rushing to give second doses because most of that 75% is one dose only still, and that seems to protect too little from the Delta variant (first detected in India).
I guess people is also looking at how long ago the detected infections lay from their vaccination date. I wonder if it could give a hint at how long vaccine protection lasts.
UK started earlier than most countries, IIRC. This is speculation looking just at aggregates, but should be findable for those having the records.

I question the motive of further restrictions unless deaths increase substantially. Reducing the burden on the national health service at the expense of liberty and business is wrong at this point.
I don't know. But they might have some data hinting at future deaths with the current transmission rate, so not acting on the current situation but to prevent what is to come. Deaths often come a few weeks after infections anyway.
These things are exponential and you can't react too soon.
 
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