COVID-19 / Coronavirus Pandemic
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You must always look at the bright side of life...
At least you know you aren't likely to have passed it to anyone else who came near you in the hospital.
I hope your foot gets better.
A lot of my friends swear by hemp oil but I never noticed an effect. Must be natural immunity.
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maybe you are naturally isolated. lucky you.
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Quantifying omicron compared to original covid:
The original peak numbers are all taken as 100%, showing the differences with omicron.
You can see omicron appears to be more transmissible but having lower hospitalizations.
Keep in mind that the covid case numbers are based on actual tests, it can be that the original covid pandemic was under reported. So while that data being compared is the same the circumstances of getting this data is not.
The ICU admissions and confirmed deaths are much more accurate probably compared to the total case numbers.
The original peak numbers are all taken as 100%, showing the differences with omicron.
You can see omicron appears to be more transmissible but having lower hospitalizations.
Keep in mind that the covid case numbers are based on actual tests, it can be that the original covid pandemic was under reported. So while that data being compared is the same the circumstances of getting this data is not.
The ICU admissions and confirmed deaths are much more accurate probably compared to the total case numbers.
levi
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I'm not sure how the number of people in hospital can ever be below the number of people ventilated, as it appears in July and other places in the UK graph. Probably an artefact of the scaling that was applied based on the December 2020 peak, but it does show the limitations in this presentation. But ignoring that it seems to me that the reduction in hospitalisation in July for the delta virus is the big story here. What exactly is happening with Omicron is still unfolding, but looks promising so far. Perhaps the improvements in healthcare since 2020 explains what we see almost entirely however.
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Side-effect of having relative values I assume.
In other news: staying at home didn't help with this economic growth indicator.
levi
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Um, that data stops just before the epidemic started in the west, unless the stated years are measured at year end (which would be unexpected).
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You could be right. I did expect it to be at the end of the year, like taxes, but I can't find any confirmation on this.
I did find more recent information per individual country, but most of them are prognoses based on past growth rates which doesn't make clear what the date of measurement was.
Right, if the hospital line is below the ventilated line, it means a lower proportion of hospital patients are ventilated than was the case on the scale-setting date.
A lower proportion of cases going to hospital over time is going to be some combination of vaccination, increased testing, and Omicron maybe being less severe.
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levi
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Are you sure that's right?
levi
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Yes, it might be that the people that do get to go to hospital with omicron are sicker because they have other comorbiditiies, so they're more likely to be put into a coma and ventilated mechanically. Meanwhile everyone else whose less ill to begin with just shakes it off as a bad illness and spends a few days in bed. But the graph doesn't show whose got comorbitries and who hasn't so all we can really say is that a higher propottion of people in hostpital with Covid during the omicron outbreak needed ventilation but there were fewer of them overall.
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Just a recap :
- Omicron is harmless for healthy people.
- "Vaccines" don't work anymore against Omicron and new variants.
- There's currently much more vaccinated people in hospitals than non vaccinated.
- It's an error to target only "spikes" because the virus mutates efficiently.
- Normal vaccines are much more efficient than Pfizer/moderna etc.
- Omicron is harmless for healthy people.
- "Vaccines" don't work anymore against Omicron and new variants.
- There's currently much more vaccinated people in hospitals than non vaccinated.
- It's an error to target only "spikes" because the virus mutates efficiently.
- Normal vaccines are much more efficient than Pfizer/moderna etc.
The British government admits that the vaccines have damaged the natural immune system of the double-vaccinated people. After a double vaccination, one might never be able to regain complete natural immunity to variants of Covid – or possibly any other virus. (although the chart does not show long-term, so I'm pretty sure it bounces back to normal levels after some time)
In its Week 42 COVID-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report, the UK Health Authority admits on page 23 that "N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who become infected after two doses of vaccine". It goes on to say that this apparant drop in antibodies is basically constant.
So vaccinated can statistically get more re-infections as opposed to un-vaccinated (that once cured have much higher resistance to re-infection, for a while at least. In other studies there was this "if you got covid naturally you are better resistant to all variants, where as the vaccinated only target well the old variant, and not so much the mutations", so it confirms that study, interestingly)
Here the quote for the unbelievers:
Wearing masks is bad for you, but also for others...
www.mdpi.com
And a shout out to all Germans on the forum!
By the end of the winter, says Germany’s very honest health minister, Germans will be ‘vaccinated, cured or dead.’ There is apparently no fourth option.
I’m providing a link to a BBC News article that points out the insanity of mass “vaccinating” children, because I know you don’t trust anything that isn’t disseminated by the corporate or state media.
In its Week 42 COVID-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report, the UK Health Authority admits on page 23 that "N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who become infected after two doses of vaccine". It goes on to say that this apparant drop in antibodies is basically constant.
So vaccinated can statistically get more re-infections as opposed to un-vaccinated (that once cured have much higher resistance to re-infection, for a while at least. In other studies there was this "if you got covid naturally you are better resistant to all variants, where as the vaccinated only target well the old variant, and not so much the mutations", so it confirms that study, interestingly)
Here the quote for the unbelievers:
We still have that word "appear", so the report says to take it with a grain of salt... or not, as other studies basically are finding the same results and corroborate the story. And don't get me started on what damage the booster does to your body....
Wearing masks is bad for you, but also for others...
Is a Mask That Covers the Mouth and Nose Free from Undesirable Side Effects in Everyday Use and Free of Potential Hazards?
Many countries introduced the requirement to wear masks in public spaces for containing SARS-CoV-2 making it commonplace in 2020. Up until now, there has been no comprehensive investigation as to the adverse health effects masks can cause. The aim was to find, test, evaluate and compile...
www.mdpi.com
And a shout out to all Germans on the forum!
By the end of the winter, says Germany’s very honest health minister, Germans will be ‘vaccinated, cured or dead.’ There is apparently no fourth option.
I’m providing a link to a BBC News article that points out the insanity of mass “vaccinating” children, because I know you don’t trust anything that isn’t disseminated by the corporate or state media.
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levi
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This is old data, there have been 11 weekly reports since that post. I guess they read it differently to you because after this report, they started the booster programme. The exact wording is odd, I'll grant you, but the only thing I can take from that is that they misspoke.
Well, in week 50 we see the same text back in page 45
So point me to one where it does NOT say that... and then point me to something that says that when you take the booster, your antibody levels don't drop an additional 20%... and that boostered people are not at the mercy of virii and bacteria... because their immune system has been severely compromised.
And rejoice! Our microchip is here! (the Chip shortage is almost over)
Although I'm disappointed, I thought they would use Hitachi technology (smart-dust) which is much smaller. Guess they'll be adding these to our clothes, to identify who they are leased to.
Is This a Picture of Hitachi 'Smart Dust'?
Image shows 'smart dust' miniaturized RFID technology developed by Hitachi?
www.snopes.com
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JDTAY
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So, I ordered my free at-home COVID tests from President Biden’s website. I don’t really need a COVID test right now, but I figure I might need one by the time it actually ships.
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I don't see who posted about this before, but I think it was mentioned before that EU suggests that extended boosters aren't a good strategy and possibly could cause harm.
This video gives some more information. If I understand correctly you can exhaust t-cells, so your reaction to covid is worse as t-cells don't respond as well causing you to get more sick. We don't know at which dose/booster the immune system gets weakened yet.
I have the rules less and less clear each day. I've read about Germany changing the rules:
- Recovered people were counted as immune for 6 months, now it'll be for 3. In CH it's 12. Scientists don't understand(*) it and jurists don't understand why the decision is delegated to official scientific institutions instead of Parliament. To top it off in DE you don't count as recovered right after (7-day) quarantine, only after four weeks later. But you can't vaccinate yet during that month, so you're just precluded from any 2G restricted space/activity for those 3 weeks whatever you try to do.
- Those vaccinated with J&J will no longer count as fully vaccinated. They now need one (to count as vaccinated) or two (to count as boosted) doses of mRNA vaccines. Even if they were designed against the Wuhan variant. (J&J at least had trials during Alpha, I think). None of the used vaccines are designed against Delta or omicron.
- The EMA advises against fourth and further doses for the general public, but chancellor(**) and Health minister in DE propose compulsory vaccination like in AT.
-Chile and Israel go to offer fourth doses (2nd booster) even against the scientific opinion.
(*) I suspect the thing is that people recovered from Delta are not immune to Omicron, and many are either unreported or their variant is not determined, so they shorten the official immunity time to reflect the weaker immunity. But it doesn't work like this, variant and time are different concepts. But at the moment Omicron is replacing Delta, you could count stats and find the immunity time is shorter because you're not looking at the hidden variable variant. But apparently those recoverd from Omicron do have some immuity against Delta, so once the Omicron variant clears out the Delta, the shortened official immune period will be even less understandable.
(**) If I didn't get lost yet Scholz was against manadatory vaccination in the electoral campaign, for it in the time between election and becoming chancellor and now opting to let the Parliament decide.
- Recovered people were counted as immune for 6 months, now it'll be for 3. In CH it's 12. Scientists don't understand(*) it and jurists don't understand why the decision is delegated to official scientific institutions instead of Parliament. To top it off in DE you don't count as recovered right after (7-day) quarantine, only after four weeks later. But you can't vaccinate yet during that month, so you're just precluded from any 2G restricted space/activity for those 3 weeks whatever you try to do.
- Those vaccinated with J&J will no longer count as fully vaccinated. They now need one (to count as vaccinated) or two (to count as boosted) doses of mRNA vaccines. Even if they were designed against the Wuhan variant. (J&J at least had trials during Alpha, I think). None of the used vaccines are designed against Delta or omicron.
- The EMA advises against fourth and further doses for the general public, but chancellor(**) and Health minister in DE propose compulsory vaccination like in AT.
-Chile and Israel go to offer fourth doses (2nd booster) even against the scientific opinion.
(*) I suspect the thing is that people recovered from Delta are not immune to Omicron, and many are either unreported or their variant is not determined, so they shorten the official immunity time to reflect the weaker immunity. But it doesn't work like this, variant and time are different concepts. But at the moment Omicron is replacing Delta, you could count stats and find the immunity time is shorter because you're not looking at the hidden variable variant. But apparently those recoverd from Omicron do have some immuity against Delta, so once the Omicron variant clears out the Delta, the shortened official immune period will be even less understandable.
(**) If I didn't get lost yet Scholz was against manadatory vaccination in the electoral campaign, for it in the time between election and becoming chancellor and now opting to let the Parliament decide.
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TeDaDeS
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UK freedom of information act analysis:
tldr; Less people died from covid then with covid. Compared to other diseases, like cancer, a lot more people will probably die due to less checks from doctors then covid it appears.
tldr; Less people died from covid then with covid. Compared to other diseases, like cancer, a lot more people will probably die due to less checks from doctors then covid it appears.
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