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pyrat

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I'm still keeping an eye on variants. AY.4.2 still looks promising, but now we've got a new contender in France, B.1.640.

Thank you. I'm just getting thin-skinned or does anyone else find that this
Paolo Gentiloni, the E.U.’s commissioner for economics and taxation, said
should be Kyriakides instead ? When you treat a health problem as an economy problem you end up with neither health nor economy.
I wish they just payed for vaccines for those wanting them in Africa, etc.

Cyrille Cohen, a professor at Bar-Ilan University in Israel, told The Jerusalem Post that the B.1.640 variant likely came from Africa and is a sign of what can happen if more people don’t get the COVID-19 vaccine.
There, as I (and the WHO) were saying. Not sure is serious, not sure it comes from African, but it's going to happen eventually if not now.
 

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You were promised you would be out, but you are not...


What are our collective priorities?


Yesterday a great scandal broke out in Slovenia, and today all of Slovenia is talking about vaccinations. The head nurse of the University Medical Center, a clinical center in Ljubljana, which deals with the reception of bottles and manages everything, gave up, went in front of the cameras and took out the bottles of vaccines. She showed people the codes on the bottles, each labeled 1, 2 or 3, and then explained the meaning of the codes.
Number 1 is placebo, saline.
Number 2 is the classic RNA bottle.
Number 3 is the RNA stick containing the onc gene, related to adenovirus, which contributes to the development of cancer.
The number 3 says that people who get them will have soft tissue cancer within 2 years. She says that she personally witnessed the vaccinations of all politicians and tycoons, and they all received preparation # 1.

source: Dude trust me/ Internet:
The link points to:
www.facebook.com/watch/?v=190515176301913
 

Phlyra

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You were promised you would be out, but you are not...


What are our collective priorities?


Yesterday a great scandal broke out in Slovenia, and today all of Slovenia is talking about vaccinations. The head nurse of the University Medical Center, a clinical center in Ljubljana, which deals with the reception of bottles and manages everything, gave up, went in front of the cameras and took out the bottles of vaccines. She showed people the codes on the bottles, each labeled 1, 2 or 3, and then explained the meaning of the codes.
Number 1 is placebo, saline.
Number 2 is the classic RNA bottle.
Number 3 is the RNA stick containing the onc gene, related to adenovirus, which contributes to the development of cancer.
The number 3 says that people who get them will have soft tissue cancer within 2 years. She says that she personally witnessed the vaccinations of all politicians and tycoons, and they all received preparation # 1.

source: Dude trust me/ Internet:
Ngl as an explanation that sounds rather too simplistic, particularly for a 20 minute long statement, and did she really witness all of those “vaccinations”? It’s also a rather curious set up for a press release :S

Any native Slovenian speakers here who can confirm what she’s saying is what’s apparently described?
 
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pyrat

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She says that she personally witnessed the vaccinations of all politicians and tycoons, and they all received preparation # 1.
Not credible. I don't know Slovenia, but I don't think it's that different from the parts of the EU I know.
Politicians are disposable puppets. They're allowed some power to keep them busy, but those tycoons would have to be very silly to let them in the know. It isn't safe, they don't know who could eventually be voted, in the worst case.
And I don't think nurses in Slovenia have enough free time to witness the vaccinations of all politicians and tycoons.

So I dismiss this conspirative theory because it's not conspirative enough.
 

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Number 3 is the RNA stick containing the onc gene, related to adenovirus, which contributes to the development of cancer.
The number 3 says that people who get them will have soft tissue cancer within 2 years.
Adenoviriae don't give you cancer. The worst a human adenovirus infection can do is give you pneumonia, in extreme situations (far more commonly it just gives you a dicky tummy), and as far as I've heard these vaccines are actually made from chimp adveoviriae which aren't adapted for the human system that well.
 

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From Statistician Mathew Crawford:

UK data shows the vaccines are NOT saving any lives at all. (injections kill more people than they save)​


direct source: direct source


Similar sounds from German statisticians Prof. Steyer and Dr. Kappler from their research in one of the the 16 German provinces.
Their conclusions:
Full vaccinations increase the chance of dying. Secondary reason: higher vaccination coverage is reached through heightened stress and fear. The latter leads to increased mortality.



Did not dive into the numbers and correlation does not mean causation. Just look at this figure:




Yes, the lines go both up at the end, but not at the beginning of this year... so there is a correlation now, and not then. It could be a delayed thing, but then the proof gets harder. Especially because that red line goes down at the end, so that's still correlation, but not clear-cut. Though this is USA information, if true in UK and Germany (one state), it should be similar in the rest of the world that uses the same vax, right?
An astute forum member could say that deaths v/s excess deaths is not the same as vaccinations v/s excess deaths. True, true... I just was making a point and took this nice graph as an example.

@JDTAY Yo, canary! Still alive? ;) It seems the wave is passing...


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Looked at the German figures, at least:

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The X axis the the amount of vaccination in % the Y axis is the excess deaths.
Now on the bottom left we see Saksen, followed by Thüringen which "proofs" low vaccination is low excess mortality, but then you have BB and HB that contradict it. I mean, I can not draw an easily visible line/curve through the datapoints.
 
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Phlyra

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From Statistician Mathew Crawford:

UK data shows the vaccines are NOT saving any lives at all. (injections kill more people than they save)​


direct source: direct source


Similar sounds from German statisticians Prof. Steyer and Dr. Kappler from their research in one of the the 16 German provinces.
Their conclusions:
Full vaccinations increase the chance of dying. Secondary reason: higher vaccination coverage is reached through heightened stress and fear. The latter leads to increased mortality.



Did not dive into the numbers and correlation does not mean causation. Just look at this figure:




Yes, the lines go both up at the end, but not at the beginning of this year... so there is a correlation now, and not then. It could be a delayed thing, but then the proof gets harder. Especially because that red line goes down at the end, so that's still correlation, but not clear-cut. Though this is USA information, if true in UK and Germany (one state), it should be similar in the rest of the world that uses the same vax, right?
An astute forum member could say that deaths v/s excess deaths is not the same as vaccinations v/s excess deaths. True, true... I just was making a point and took this nice graph as an example.

@JDTAY Yo, canary! Still alive? ;) It seems the wave is passing...


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Looked at the German figures, at least:

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The X axis the the amount of vaccination in % the Y axis is the excess deaths.
Now on the bottom left we see Saksen, followed by Thüringen which "proofs" low vaccination is low excess mortality, but then you have BB and HB that contradict it. I mean, I can not draw an easily visible line/curve through the datapoints.
It’s really interesting reading about analysis being applied to the available data and noting that even these analyses have pitfalls of their own* but the one thing I think every soundly motivated person should be able to agree on is the need for open source data with peer-reviewed analysis - just like how FLOSS projects are supposed to work...

*for example, I completely agree that conditions matter but the statistician/lecturer failed to make mention of what was happening during the middle weeks (Summer and far greater irresponsible opening up by the British govt. before the return to school and continued abandon of any protective measures) - and what effect that would be expected to have on the data
 
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It’s really interesting reading about analysis being applied to the available data and noting that even these analyses have pitfalls of their own* but the one thing I think every soundly motivated person should be able to agree on is the need for open source data with peer-reviewed analysis - just like how FLOSS projects are supposed to work...

*for example, I completely agree that conditions matter but the statistician/lecturer failed to make mention of what was happening during the middle weeks (Summer and far greater irresponsible opening up by the British govt. before the return to school and continued abandon of any protective measures) - and what effect that would be expected to have on the data
I don't mind a healthy debate about research; both sides providing research and evidence to prove their points.
Like we use to do in the past, when things weren't this political.
 

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I had 2 Shots and im still alive, i just had no good idea for Pyra Videos the last few weeks..
That proves 100% that vaccination is not good for you.
It's a mechanism invented by the government to brainwash you.
Trust me, you wil NEVER EVER be able to make a Pyra video.

It's frightening to see how far those anti-Pyra activists go.
Every person in the world shall get vaccinated just to prevent occasional Pyra videos to show up on YouTube.
It's horrific.

Everyone, please don't get vaccinated and spread as many Pyra videos as you possibly can.
That is the only way to stop this madness.
 

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So IIUC with the new requirements set to come into force in France, there will be a return to barrier measures (e.g. mask and social distancing requirements at all public indoor places and large outdoor gatherings like Christmas markets) but more rigidly policed, along with the Pass Sanitaire of course.

However, to maintain the validity of your vaccination status under the Pass Sanitaire - even if you’re currently doubly vaccinated - all adults will have to have the booster by 15th of January. Obviously this doesn’t affect those who are relying on negative test status to maintain their PS.
 
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