Weekly Pyra Preorder Stats

[Grench]

When would you complain?

I mean, you're still waiting, right vcoleiro1? The Pyra will still have value to you when you finally get it, right? If it were too long then you'd have cancelled because at that point it is no longer as valuable to you as the money you've put into it.

just to clear up something with WizardStan: AFAIK, vcoleiro1 hasn't preordered... nothing against him/her...

When it's no longer valuable to me and I'm ready for a refund. Until then complaining accomplishes nothing. Less than nothing, actually: it causes a burden on EvilDragon and those of us waiting patiently. You honestly believe he's just sitting on his ass waiting for someone to complain that it's been too long? Like "oh hey, yeah, I guess I'll hit the big green button now. I was going to wait another 6 months while doing nothing, but I guess people really want this"
No, he's going as fast as he can and when things are done they'll be done. Complaining won't make it go any faster.

Just cancel without complaining and asking before is not very fair.

This collective exchange brings up an interesting question. Does pre-ordering and/or purchasing an item give you a right to complain?

On Amazon the reviews are often accompanied by a flag for someone being a verified purchaser of the product. For future purchasers, the reviews made by actual purchasers hold more value - whether positive or negative. This measure would mean that comments by m@t (pre-ordered) would have more value than comments by vcoleiro1 (not pre-ordered). By extension, having purchased or in this case pre-ordered, it is conceivable that m@t has purchased the right to complain. That in itself does not make his complaints valid - validity is a matter of perception.

So - yes, m@t's complaints have value, and he has conceivably purchased the license to state them. That doesn't put any of the rest of us other purchasers under any obligation to agree with him.

 

[levi]

Of course, if you've made a preorder for something means you can threaten to cancel, thus you have a voice. I'd argue that vcoleiro has a voice here too, given how much input he must have had on the various threads guiding its design, but that's more debatable.

So I think m@t has a point provided he doesn't overstate it (and he hasn't done yet for me). I was just confused by his wording myself. Honestly, I also never expected it to take this long if you'd asked me on the day I preordered, although I appreciate the extra effort being put into making it all just so. I can't say yet at which point I consider it being too much, and it entering vapourware territory. I guess the relatively frequent updates wards off the vapourware claim to some extent, so that might be another way of explaining why this long isn't too long for me.

 

[Grench]

Of course, if you've made a preorder for something means you can threaten to cancel, thus you have a voice. I'd argue that vcoleiro has a voice here too, given how much input he must have had on the various threads guiding its design, but that's more debatable.

I'm not saying that vcoleiro1's voice doesn't count or is not valuable. But - his voice may be more valuable or important if he pre-ordered. m@t may not have anything valuable to contribute to development, but as a pre-orderer, his voice has value too. By this paradigm, someone who hasn't contributed anything to development conversations and hasn't pre-ordered (a contribution to the project in it's own right) would have the lowest conceivable 'value'. They would still have some though. Anyone even keeping others entertained in OffTopic discussions contributes to the community, even if incidentally.

 

[WizardStan]

my comments were my interpreation of what someone else was saying

Aye, I got that. You asked me to clarify how I reached my interpretation of what m@t was saying so I gave it. I didn't realize you weren't a pre-orderer but the "thought experiment" should still stand whether you literally have money in the game or are just emotionally invested. The point is that it cannot be too late because people are still pre-ordering, people are still interested, and while we've had some cancellations over the past many weeks they are consistently outweighed by new orders. If that's not what "too late" means, then what exactly does it mean? What is it 30 weeks (minimum) too late for? The prom?
You may not have interpreted it that way but that's only because you didn't make the same connection, not because I'm wrong: what I'm saying about his implication is entirely valid and correct, whether he meant it that way or not.

The way you worded that last comment , could easily be misconstrued as me being upset at the wait.

Sorry, the last part was 100% directed at m@t who has implied several times that he believes EvilDragon is not doing all that he can to bring the Pyra to fruition, that something more (though he never says what) needs to be done and he will complain until that something gets done.

 

[Grench]

Sorry, the last part was 100% directed at m@t who has implied several times that he believes EvilDragon is not doing all that he can to bring the Pyra to fruition, that something more (though he never says what) needs to be done and he will complain until that something gets done.

I can empathize with m@t a bit though. It is a long, slow, painstaking process that not everyone is going to have the patience for.

Every time I think that I'm within a few months of getting my Pyra, I see that there is something else that needs to be solved or modified or other that will push that timeline further out.

An example of this is the latest iteration on video cables. Yes, ED has a cool idea that will hopefully be a more robust solution. But, that solution is going to require a custom part be ordered, created and sent back to him for evaluation - a three week cycle - before it can be either ordered in quantity (another 3+ weeks) or changed again (another 6+ weeks to production quantities).

I'm last on the prototype list, which is both a blessing and a curse in this waiting game. Yes, I should get my Pyra around 2 months before the rest of them go out. But - the rest of you know that you're at least 2+ months out. For me it has felt like it was 2 weeks out several times - then the expectation is pushed back. Several times I have had travel coming up in a month or two and wondered if it will be the first trip that I'll be able to bring my Pyra on - then realize two weeks before the trip that I'm still going to be using my Android phone and 4g tablet. I'm not after sympathy - I love my place in line. The resetting of anticipation, though, is far more frequent and acute on the front end of the queue.

 

[Silent-Hunter]

I have been having anxiety for the last two years that something will happen to kill the project, so having it actually come out will be a huge relief.

 

[WizardStan]

I can empathize with m@t a bit though.

Oh don't get me wrong, I empathize as well, I've made it very clear about my opinion that there needs to be a point where good enough is good enough; but just because I recognize and can feel the same emotional rollercoaster doesn't mean I agree he should be acting on those emotions the way that he has been.
There's a very big difference between "man, I wish that I had my Pyra now and waiting sucks" vs "ED, have you done the thing yet? How about now? Now? Any day now? Why aren't you doing the thing?" for whatever the current hold up is. When he first started asking questions I was like "yeah, I get that" and even defended him a time or two, but at some point he crossed a boundary; questions changed from "what"s and "how"s to "why"s and "when"s, as if asking why it's not done yet will make it go faster.

 

[vcoleiro1]

I gather my name is being used in a hypothecial manner in posts by Grench and Levi above. Because as I said, I never gave my opinion, I merely interpreted what m@8 said - just as others tried to interpret his comment.

 

[Silent-Hunter]

I gather my name is being used in a hypothecial manner in posts by Grench and Levi above. Because as I said, I never gave my opinion, I merely interpreted what m@8 said - just as others tried to interpret his comment.

It appears to be hypothetical, yes.

 

[ible]

hopefully we get more pyra news soon so we can stop analyzing to death the things people say. and then we can congratulate ED and analyze to death the things that he says??

 

[levi]

I gather my name is being used in a hypothecial manner in posts by Grench and Levi above. Because as I said, I never gave my opinion, I merely interpreted what m@8 said - just as others tried to interpret his comment.

FWIW, I wasn't using you in a hypothetical manner as such. I was aware that in the rule I'd just defined in the previous sentence(s) you would not be open to express an opinion on the project, and I just wanted to add a clause to the rule to permit you to opine as long as you don't become a nuisance

 

[levi]

Is it nearly a year for you too - it's week 52?!

Week 52 (23/04-29/04):   6 pre-orders (1049-1055)
Week 51 (16/04-22/04):   8 pre-orders (1041-1049)
Week 50 (09/04-15/04):   4 pre-orders (1037-1041)
Week 49 (02/04-08/04):   2 pre-orders (1035-1037)
Week 48 (26/03-01/04):   2 pre-orders (1033-1035)
Week 47 (19/03-25/03):   5 pre-orders (1028-1033)
Week 46 (12/03-18/03):  -6 pre-orders (1034-1028)
Week 45 (05/03-11/03):   4 pre-orders (1030-1034)
Week 44 (26/02-04/03):   3 pre-orders (1027-1030)
Week 43 (19/02-25/02):   3 pre-orders (1024-1027)
Week 42 (12/02-18/02):   6 pre-orders (1018-1024)
Week 41 (05/02-11/02):   5 pre-orders (1013-1018)
Week 40 (29/01-04/02):   4 pre-orders (1009-1013)
Week 39 (22/01-28/01):   2 pre-orders (1007-1009)
Week 38 (15/01-21/01):   1 pre-order  (1006-1007)
Week 37 (08/01-14/01):   4 pre-orders (1002-1006)
Week 36 (01/01-07/01):   6 pre-orders (996-1002)
Week 35 (25/12-31/12):  11 pre-orders (985-996)
Week 34 (18/12-24/12):   8 pre-orders (977-985)
Week 33 (11/12-17/12):   8 pre-orders (969-977)
Week 32 (04/12-10/12):   7 pre-orders (962-969)
Week 31 (27/11-03/12):   5 pre-orders (957-962)
Week 30 (20/11-26/11):  11 pre-orders (946-957)
Week 29 (13/11-19/11):   6 pre-orders (940-946)
Week 28 (06/11-12/11):   7 pre-orders (933-940)
Week 27 (30/10-05/11):  13 pre-orders (920-933)
Week 26 (23/10-29/10):   5 pre-orders (915-920)
Week 25 (16/10-22/10):   7 pre-orders (908-915)
Week 24 (09/10-15/10):   4 pre-orders (904-908)
Week 23 (02/10-08/10):   8 pre-orders (896-904)
Week 22 (25/09-01/10):  -8 pre-orders (904-896)
Week 21 (18/09-24/09):   6 pre-orders (898-904)
Week 20 (11/09-17/09):  11 pre-orders (887-898)
Week 19 (04/09-10/09):   9 pre-orders (878-887)
Week 18 (28/08-03/09):   1 pre-order  (877-878)
Week 17 (21/08-27/08):   2 pre-orders (875-877)
Week 16 (14/08-20/08):  12 pre-orders (863-875)
Week 15 (07/08-13/08):   4 pre-orders (859-863)
Week 14 (31/07-06/08):   7 pre-orders (852-859)
Week 13 (24/07-30/07):  12 pre-orders (840-852)
Week 12 (17/07-23/07):   7 pre-orders (833-840)
Week 11 (10/07-16/07):  10 pre-orders (823-833)
Week 10 (03/07-09/07):  20 pre-orders (803-823)
Week 09 (26/06-02/07):  10 pre-orders (793-803)
Week 08 (19/06-25/06):  15 pre-orders (787-793)
Week 07 (12/06-18/06):  16 pre-orders (771-787)
Week 06 (05/06-11/06):  16 pre-orders (755-771)
Week 05 (29/05-04/06):  29 pre-orders (726-755)
Week 04 (22/05-28/05):  28 pre-orders (698-726)
Week 03 (15/05-21/05):  53 pre-orders (645-698)
Week 02 (08/05-14/05):  82 pre-orders (563-645)
Week 01 (01/05-07/05): 563 pre-orders (000-563)

Another week where we had no cancellations. We had an EU 4GB pre-order on Sunday afternoon, and another on Monday afternoon. Tuesday evening featured a US 4GB pre-order, and Wednesday afternoon featured the only standard 4GB pre-order of the week. Wednesday evening gave us another 4GB preorder, and then we had to wait until Saturday afternoon for the final pre-order of the week; a 4GB EU one at that.

As above, the preorders were split as follows:
Non-cellular units: +1 4GB units
US cellular units: +2 4GB units
Euro cellular units: +3 4GB units

FWIW, that makes a two-week total of 14, which is the highest since week 36 which included the christmas week.

I'm in two minds at whether to continue this after next week, when the full first year of tracking would be up. I've only been actively doing it for 43 weeks so far, after vcoleiro1 covered the first 60 days (nearly 8 weeks), so maybe I'll keep it up for the first whole year, or do 60 weekly posts to match vcoleiro's 60 days! Or I can just keep going if you guys want me to.

Note: The stalker json index is currently failing to render for me. I think it's a mimetype bug since if I view the source of the page it's all there, but my browser is deciding to try to render it graphically for me, and failing. Or maybe my browser has updated and broken it. Is it just me?
http://stalker.openpandora.org/preorder.json

 

[ible]

i can see the json just fine.?

you could do monthly updates from here? (you'd have to start a new thread, though )

 

[levi]

Might be my browser at fault then.

Anyway, come on our favourite son, it's year one!

Year 1 (01/05/16-01/05/17):  1055 preorders (0-1055)

So, uh, we had some cancellations this year. Slightly over half of the preorders were made in the first week.

The breakdown is:
Standard units: 279 4GB units, 14 2GB units
US cellular units: 224 4GB units, 3 2GB units
Euro cellular units: 530 4GB units, 5 2GB units

Edit: Overcounted the 2GB non-cellular units. Whoops

 

[levi]

ED still working like a busy bee - it's week 53!

Week 53 (30/04-06/05):   1 pre-order (1055-1056)
Week 52 (23/04-29/04):   6 pre-orders (1049-1055)
Week 51 (16/04-22/04):   8 pre-orders (1041-1049)
Week 50 (09/04-15/04):   4 pre-orders (1037-1041)
Week 49 (02/04-08/04):   2 pre-orders (1035-1037)
Week 48 (26/03-01/04):   2 pre-orders (1033-1035)
Week 47 (19/03-25/03):   5 pre-orders (1028-1033)
Week 46 (12/03-18/03):  -6 pre-orders (1034-1028)
Week 45 (05/03-11/03):   4 pre-orders (1030-1034)
Week 44 (26/02-04/03):   3 pre-orders (1027-1030)
Week 43 (19/02-25/02):   3 pre-orders (1024-1027)
Week 42 (12/02-18/02):   6 pre-orders (1018-1024)
Week 41 (05/02-11/02):   5 pre-orders (1013-1018)
Week 40 (29/01-04/02):   4 pre-orders (1009-1013)
Week 39 (22/01-28/01):   2 pre-orders (1007-1009)
Week 38 (15/01-21/01):   1 pre-order  (1006-1007)
Week 37 (08/01-14/01):   4 pre-orders (1002-1006)
Week 36 (01/01-07/01):   6 pre-orders (996-1002)
Week 35 (25/12-31/12):  11 pre-orders (985-996)
Week 34 (18/12-24/12):   8 pre-orders (977-985)
Week 33 (11/12-17/12):   8 pre-orders (969-977)
Week 32 (04/12-10/12):   7 pre-orders (962-969)
Week 31 (27/11-03/12):   5 pre-orders (957-962)
Week 30 (20/11-26/11):  11 pre-orders (946-957)
Week 29 (13/11-19/11):   6 pre-orders (940-946)
Week 28 (06/11-12/11):   7 pre-orders (933-940)
Week 27 (30/10-05/11):  13 pre-orders (920-933)
Week 26 (23/10-29/10):   5 pre-orders (915-920)
Week 25 (16/10-22/10):   7 pre-orders (908-915)
Week 24 (09/10-15/10):   4 pre-orders (904-908)
Week 23 (02/10-08/10):   8 pre-orders (896-904)
Week 22 (25/09-01/10):  -8 pre-orders (904-896)
Week 21 (18/09-24/09):   6 pre-orders (898-904)
Week 20 (11/09-17/09):  11 pre-orders (887-898)
Week 19 (04/09-10/09):   9 pre-orders (878-887)
Week 18 (28/08-03/09):   1 pre-order  (877-878)
Week 17 (21/08-27/08):   2 pre-orders (875-877)
Week 16 (14/08-20/08):  12 pre-orders (863-875)
Week 15 (07/08-13/08):   4 pre-orders (859-863)
Week 14 (31/07-06/08):   7 pre-orders (852-859)
Week 13 (24/07-30/07):  12 pre-orders (840-852)
Week 12 (17/07-23/07):   7 pre-orders (833-840)
Week 11 (10/07-16/07):  10 pre-orders (823-833)
Week 10 (03/07-09/07):  20 pre-orders (803-823)
Week 09 (26/06-02/07):  10 pre-orders (793-803)
Week 08 (19/06-25/06):  15 pre-orders (787-793)
Week 07 (12/06-18/06):  16 pre-orders (771-787)
Week 06 (05/06-11/06):  16 pre-orders (755-771)
Week 05 (29/05-04/06):  29 pre-orders (726-755)
Week 04 (22/05-28/05):  28 pre-orders (698-726)
Week 03 (15/05-21/05):  53 pre-orders (645-698)
Week 02 (08/05-14/05):  82 pre-orders (563-645)
Week 01 (01/05-07/05): 563 pre-orders (000-563)

So, no cancellations, and just the one order of a US 4GB unit round about Wednesday lunch-time. What you might call a quiet week after the recent positive movement.

As above, the preorders were split as follows:
Non-cellular units: no change
US cellular units: +1 4GB unit
Euro cellular units: no change

Come on FormAction! If you can get those cases to ED things might start to heat up again! I'm still very much anticipating seeing some prototype pyras on youtube filled with exciting ports!

 

[willie]

I'm planning to place a preorder (US 4GB, probably Cellular) when I get some money pretty soon. A couple questions: 1) if I get the cellular version, can I unplug/remove the cellular board if I decide to stay off mobile? 2) Is there an external mic/earpiece jack? I'd like to remove (unsolder if necessary) the internal microphone from the unit, due to security paranoia. Would still want to be able to use it with a plug-in or bluetooth mic. Just no mic when I'm not expecting it to be on .

Thanks

 

[lukey]

I'm planning to place a preorder (US 4GB, probably Cellular) when I get some money pretty soon. A couple questions: 1) if I get the cellular version, can I unplug/remove the cellular board if I decide to stay off mobile?

No, But there's an FET-Switch controlled by the OMAP to cut the Whole Modem from Power, and an Current Sensor.

2) Is there an external mic/earpiece jack? I'd like to remove (unsolder if necessary) the internal microphone from the unit, due to security paranoia. Would still want to be able to use it with a plug-in or bluetooth mic.

https://pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Audio

 

[benoitb]

I finally bought a smartphone to ease the wait. Found a LG G2 for 70€ used. That will do for now but I'm still really impatient now to get the Pyra in my hands.

 

[WizardStan]

No, But there's an FET-Switch controlled by the OMAP to cut the Whole Modem from Power, and an Current Sensor.

For some reason I also have a memory of someone saying there'd also be a 0 ohm resistor (ie, just a wire) that you could cut to completely kill power and easily resolder if you changed your mind, but it may have only been a suggestion and not something that was actually done.

 

[levi]

Did we show m@t the door - it's week 54!?!

Week 54 (07/05-13/05):   2 pre-orders (1056-1058)
Week 53 (30/04-06/05):   1 pre-order  (1055-1056)
Week 52 (23/04-29/04):   6 pre-orders (1049-1055)
Week 51 (16/04-22/04):   8 pre-orders (1041-1049)
Week 50 (09/04-15/04):   4 pre-orders (1037-1041)
Week 49 (02/04-08/04):   2 pre-orders (1035-1037)
Week 48 (26/03-01/04):   2 pre-orders (1033-1035)
Week 47 (19/03-25/03):   5 pre-orders (1028-1033)
Week 46 (12/03-18/03):  -6 pre-orders (1034-1028)
Week 45 (05/03-11/03):   4 pre-orders (1030-1034)
Week 44 (26/02-04/03):   3 pre-orders (1027-1030)
Week 43 (19/02-25/02):   3 pre-orders (1024-1027)
Week 42 (12/02-18/02):   6 pre-orders (1018-1024)
Week 41 (05/02-11/02):   5 pre-orders (1013-1018)
Week 40 (29/01-04/02):   4 pre-orders (1009-1013)
Week 39 (22/01-28/01):   2 pre-orders (1007-1009)
Week 38 (15/01-21/01):   1 pre-order  (1006-1007)
Week 37 (08/01-14/01):   4 pre-orders (1002-1006)
Week 36 (01/01-07/01):   6 pre-orders (996-1002)
Week 35 (25/12-31/12):  11 pre-orders (985-996)
Week 34 (18/12-24/12):   8 pre-orders (977-985)
Week 33 (11/12-17/12):   8 pre-orders (969-977)
Week 32 (04/12-10/12):   7 pre-orders (962-969)
Week 31 (27/11-03/12):   5 pre-orders (957-962)
Week 30 (20/11-26/11):  11 pre-orders (946-957)
Week 29 (13/11-19/11):   6 pre-orders (940-946)
Week 28 (06/11-12/11):   7 pre-orders (933-940)
Week 27 (30/10-05/11):  13 pre-orders (920-933)
Week 26 (23/10-29/10):   5 pre-orders (915-920)
Week 25 (16/10-22/10):   7 pre-orders (908-915)
Week 24 (09/10-15/10):   4 pre-orders (904-908)
Week 23 (02/10-08/10):   8 pre-orders (896-904)
Week 22 (25/09-01/10):  -8 pre-orders (904-896)
Week 21 (18/09-24/09):   6 pre-orders (898-904)
Week 20 (11/09-17/09):  11 pre-orders (887-898)
Week 19 (04/09-10/09):   9 pre-orders (878-887)
Week 18 (28/08-03/09):   1 pre-order  (877-878)
Week 17 (21/08-27/08):   2 pre-orders (875-877)
Week 16 (14/08-20/08):  12 pre-orders (863-875)
Week 15 (07/08-13/08):   4 pre-orders (859-863)
Week 14 (31/07-06/08):   7 pre-orders (852-859)
Week 13 (24/07-30/07):  12 pre-orders (840-852)
Week 12 (17/07-23/07):   7 pre-orders (833-840)
Week 11 (10/07-16/07):  10 pre-orders (823-833)
Week 10 (03/07-09/07):  20 pre-orders (803-823)
Week 09 (26/06-02/07):  10 pre-orders (793-803)
Week 08 (19/06-25/06):  15 pre-orders (787-793)
Week 07 (12/06-18/06):  16 pre-orders (771-787)
Week 06 (05/06-11/06):  16 pre-orders (755-771)
Week 05 (29/05-04/06):  29 pre-orders (726-755)
Week 04 (22/05-28/05):  28 pre-orders (698-726)
Week 03 (15/05-21/05):  53 pre-orders (645-698)
Week 02 (08/05-14/05):  82 pre-orders (563-645)
Week 01 (01/05-07/05): 563 pre-orders (000-563)

Better late than never, eh?

Another quiet week. Two low weeks after two weeks of the highest number in living memory, well, maybe not living memory but in almost twenty weeks - so maybe the living memory of a cat or something.

The two this week came from a US 4GB order on Tuesday morning, and one standard 4GB order that afternoon. The news that 4GB units might not be coming out after all if this latest hurdle can't be overcome broke last Saturday actually, so the fact we're still getting orders for 4GB units suggests everyone believes ED's team will be able to get these made, or something.

As above, the preorders were split as follows:
Non-cellular units: +1 4GB unit
US cellular units: +1 4GB unit
Euro cellular units: no change

And I should thank Form-action for finally providing evidence of more cases existing. Now if they can make it to Germany intact I'll be very excited!