Someone please make this mechanical keyboard
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Short answer:
Cherry mx linear Grey (still in production) at around 80g actuation and then there are two discontinued switches, the cherry mx "space black" with 100-120g and the cherry mx super black with 150g linear
Not that hard to find, but not guaranteed that all keys work evenly, as you buy second hand.
A little bit of background information goes a long way:
This is a Cherry MX Green switch Actuation Force: 80g
There are 3 types of keys:
From this article 2013
The greens' 105 g bottom-out force, meanwhile, is far above that of other offerings, even the old IBM Model M.
For reference, the actuation graph in IBM's buckling spring patent suggests the Model M requires around 70 g of force for actuation and 80 g to bottom out.
However, the Green is marketed as being a 80g, see this list (with virtually all bigbrand keyboard switches, except Zelio which maxes out at 78g)
here are animated gifs of the innner workings
here is a graph with their travel vs resistance (in cN, centi Newton I presume)
other links: reddit (list with actuation force)
Or better: find the right keys (type, for example, "Actuation Force: 90g" into google), then do it yourself (very fun page about keyboard fanatics)
Anything above 100g actually shows Ergonometrics and medical problems. As is: Why do you want a keyboard that is so hard?
And experiment: buy pens with hard springs, replace them in your keyboard... test... (put a small wooden block and coins on top on the key until it clicks, weigh the contraption on a digital food scale... not precise, but cheap)
[doublepost=1505199497,1505198746][/doublepost]That reminds me: I need to repair my keyboard...
Cherry mx linear Grey (still in production) at around 80g actuation and then there are two discontinued switches, the cherry mx "space black" with 100-120g and the cherry mx super black with 150g linear
Not that hard to find, but not guaranteed that all keys work evenly, as you buy second hand.
A little bit of background information goes a long way:
This is a Cherry MX Green switch Actuation Force: 80g
There are 3 types of keys:
- Linear. The keystroke is consistent and smooth.
- Tactile. A bump in the middle of travel, usually around the actuation point.
- Clicky. A bump in the middle of travel accompanied by a sharp “click” sound.
From this article 2013
The greens' 105 g bottom-out force, meanwhile, is far above that of other offerings, even the old IBM Model M.
For reference, the actuation graph in IBM's buckling spring patent suggests the Model M requires around 70 g of force for actuation and 80 g to bottom out.
However, the Green is marketed as being a 80g, see this list (with virtually all bigbrand keyboard switches, except Zelio which maxes out at 78g)
here are animated gifs of the innner workings
here is a graph with their travel vs resistance (in cN, centi Newton I presume)
other links: reddit (list with actuation force)
Or better: find the right keys (type, for example, "Actuation Force: 90g" into google), then do it yourself (very fun page about keyboard fanatics)
Anything above 100g actually shows Ergonometrics and medical problems. As is: Why do you want a keyboard that is so hard?
And experiment: buy pens with hard springs, replace them in your keyboard... test... (put a small wooden block and coins on top on the key until it clicks, weigh the contraption on a digital food scale... not precise, but cheap)
[doublepost=1505199497,1505198746][/doublepost]That reminds me: I need to repair my keyboard...
rygD
Nihilistic Mystic
I don't think this is in the right section.
I haven't tried any all green keyboards, but blue clones I have tried are definitely a bit soft. I considered looking for a green one for a while, but I couldn't find any locally to try out to see how they felt. I strongly offer something tactile, so those grey switches wouldn't work for me, and I wouldn't want to go much higher than the Unicomp Model M that I currently use, which feels prefect to me, although I do have concerns about what sort of damage I am doing (I have enough wear and tear on my body I am dealing with, so I don't want to not be able to type on top of everything else). I really want to get a Model F, probably more for nerdy irrelevant reasons than to preserve my typing ability (although in all the ways I have heard the Unicomp and other late Model Ms are inferior to the early IBM ones, I think actuation force being a bit lighter was one, but that could have just been someone trying to justify to themself why they needed to stick with the good old ones instead of a new one).
Even if they weren't linear I think I would stay away from the space black and especially the super black, not because of long term damage, but because they don't seem like they would be good for a whole keyboard (but some might say the same of greens). It just sounds exhausting to me to try to type on those. If you do throw a bunch of them together in a keyboard I, and probably many others, would like to see the results, preferably in a video, and hear about your thoughts on using it.
@FBnil, I have seen most of your links before, and I still enjoy reading and watching them. Mostly the watching. You need this picture:
OH, YEAH!
I haven't tried any all green keyboards, but blue clones I have tried are definitely a bit soft. I considered looking for a green one for a while, but I couldn't find any locally to try out to see how they felt. I strongly offer something tactile, so those grey switches wouldn't work for me, and I wouldn't want to go much higher than the Unicomp Model M that I currently use, which feels prefect to me, although I do have concerns about what sort of damage I am doing (I have enough wear and tear on my body I am dealing with, so I don't want to not be able to type on top of everything else). I really want to get a Model F, probably more for nerdy irrelevant reasons than to preserve my typing ability (although in all the ways I have heard the Unicomp and other late Model Ms are inferior to the early IBM ones, I think actuation force being a bit lighter was one, but that could have just been someone trying to justify to themself why they needed to stick with the good old ones instead of a new one).
Even if they weren't linear I think I would stay away from the space black and especially the super black, not because of long term damage, but because they don't seem like they would be good for a whole keyboard (but some might say the same of greens). It just sounds exhausting to me to try to type on those. If you do throw a bunch of them together in a keyboard I, and probably many others, would like to see the results, preferably in a video, and hear about your thoughts on using it.
@FBnil, I have seen most of your links before, and I still enjoy reading and watching them. Mostly the watching. You need this picture:
OH, YEAH!
Caine
Hardcore Member
I did not realize that the mods allowed posting porn on these boards
OH, YEAH!
Clicky!
rygD
Nihilistic Mystic
Shhh, don't tell them.I did not realize that the mods allowed posting porn on these boards
[doublepost=1505269608,1505269473][/doublepost]
Quiet, you! After my post above I spent hours looking at keyboard stuff. I really want one of the newly manufactured Model Fs now.
ROFL Sorry! It's time you will never get back.
Grench
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If they made a full or TKL one with a complete set of keys - maybe. Those versions they list on the new Fs website are all pretty compromised layouts. I get it - they're minimizing the mechanism count per keyboard - but at those prices, put in the other ~20 keys and do it right.
Splintercat
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I've gotten to try some MX Greens and I personally really liked them. The greens took some force to push, but the stronger springs help lift your fingers back up from the actuation point. For the record I didn't get to try it out for a long period of time though.
My everyday keyboard uses MX Blues, and I've been enjoying those.
My everyday keyboard uses MX Blues, and I've been enjoying those.
comradekingu
Glowing ember
Make your own springs. Or find replacement ones.
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