And that would be fine. I am not against that. So I don't even see why anti-TIVOization should be an issue then if what you describe is correct about the firmware replacement. Maybe they just assumed there was more to it than met the eye, whatever. It was always my intent to come back to you and still discuss these things and treat you as an equal partner in all this. The way you will handle this current joystick with a Pi thrown into it is kinda contingent on that, though. It's not about how rich you might or might not have become by selling this, it's about principle. I need to be able to trust people I ally with. One way I cannot trust people is if I see a box being advertised on your store that has in its description 'comes with MAME arcade cores, SNES, Mega Drive, and is powered by a Raspberry Pi 3'. That feels like a deliberate slap in the face and it feels like a betrayal, like that article I just co-authored with byuu was all for nothing. Here we go again, etc. Doesn't matter if you earn one euro from this or 100 million, it's furthering a problem that I thought everybody agreed was a serious issue that we shouldn't repeat anymore. What is worth more to you, keeping devs happy or selling a product by some no-talent scrappy salesmen like that Spanish shop that you know doesn't even make you any real money and which you know is on shaky ground? And it seems you seem to telegraph to me that this Spanish shop is worth more to you than any potential relationship with RetroArch/Libretro. Why do we need to have a 3+ page long conversation on this when honestly you could have saved everybody in here a ton of time and just do the honorable and respectful thing and pulled the goddamn thing? At the very least blank the SD card (RetroPie being non-commercial means it cannot be sold - period), and/or make your own image (NOT derived from RetroPie/Lakka/Recalbox) and remove the infringing cores, do at least something so that the rights of non-commercially licensed emulators are not being infringed upon. Not even that token gesture is granted. How can I consider that person a friend to the scene and a reliable business partner when he's furthering a problem that we should be putting to bed already? If there's no respect for coders and the rights they hold on this code, whether it's GPL or non-commercial, then don't count on me to want to stick around. I am well aware that nobody might be making massive profits off this. Maybe in light of that, it would pay to perhaps treat me with a little bit more respect and decorum. You never know who could be coming out with the next hit product after all... If it doesn't make you any real money, then I figure it wouldn't be that much of a big deal to at least rectify the issue in the short term and at least blank the SD card. You can keep selling the device itself, but that image should be stripped regardless, since even if you do remove the non-commercial cores, RetroPie is not at all cool with their distribution/combined work being sold either. So there are honestly multiple aggrieved parties here. Keep things fair to the scene, keep people happy, and we can all get together and have decent relationships in here. And if you think RetroPie don't care about this, I could invite them to this thread (I know a fair of them) and we can see where they stand on this and how well the weak justifications regarding stil selling this with this joystick will fare with them. So why are we doing this exactly if we can prevent people being upset and hurt by this? Not doing anything is siding with the manufacturer who put this out and put no actual work or effort into the actual underlying software that is being manhandled here. If you insist on being a sincere and honest broker here, I give you one last benefit of the doubt - let's fix this shit. Don't try to defend the indefensible thing they are trying to do, and let's resolve it in a way so that you can still sell this shit but do it in a way so that it doesn't rub an entire scene the wrong way.