Pandora - Obsolete?


Cracker Jacker said:
Line O said:
Welcome to 20-odd days ago.

http://icontrolpad.com/
Yep, that would be it. Shame it does not have an analog stick, but I guess you could just use the tilt for any proportional control you need.

hum, you missed something important... the IControlpad is made by craigx... they seems to have dual analog + additional battery fited in...
but that is not the apple product... apple filled a patent for a device similar to the IControlpad 6 month or so AFTER the icontrolpad was first shown... the usual apple patent theft...
 
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Cracker Jacker said:
I think I read somewhere that Apple was filing for a patent on a game conroller add-on to the iPhone. The drawings looked pretty tight and whole thing, iPhone docked with controller, should fit in a pocket.

If it has buttons, we failed.
If you see a Task Manager, we failed.
If you see a Stylus, we failed.

Apple must think I fail for; driving a car with buttons and Multi-tasking with a Pen while I do so!

ed: yeah the patent theft, CraigX plz plz sue Apple!

Do I get a +1 ?
 
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Kangal said:
ed: yeah the patent theft, CraigX plz plz sue Apple!

Do I get a +1 ?
I didn't see whether or not it was confirmed that apple actually filed that patent or if it was an April fools joke. I thought it was strange that apple would do something like this, considering how much they hate buttons. Maybe there just doing it to cock block anybody from making such a device.
 
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Cracker Jacker said:
Kangal said:
ed: yeah the patent theft, CraigX plz plz sue Apple!

Do I get a +1 ?
I didn't see whether or not it was confirmed that apple actually filed that patent or if it was an April fools joke. I thought it was strange that apple would do something like this, considering how much they hate buttons. Maybe there just doing it to cock block anybody from making such a device.

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220100081505%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20100081505&RS=DN/20100081505
maybe?
 
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I find it amazing that you can patent what amounts to nothing more than a load of jumbled paragraphs of 'this would be cool if... '. I thought you had to be so much more specific than that description, and at least have some kind of sketch or blueprint.

Going by that, children should be able to patent their ideas for underwater helicopters that transform into robotic pirate ships. Seriously, I might file a patent for just about any future technology I can think of. As long as I can cover all the possibilities of my imaginary creations I should be good to go, thanks apple!

First up: Cure for aids - A pharmaceutical substance created of aids curing compounds in pill, capsule, liquid, gas, powder, or paste form. To be applied in any of the following methods: intravenous/rectal/oral/topical/transmucosal/inhalation, resulting in the receding/curing of all symptoms of aids.
 
mali said:
^ In Europe it's much harder to patent nonsense, though.
In America people patent everything, and sue everybody for whatever the he'll they feel like. There's like 10x the ratio of lawyers to everything else out there than other places in the world, it's why our health care is so jacked up and costs so much.

Lady pours a cup of coffee on her lap at mcdonalds and sues them because it was hot.... And won... Millions. That's the nature of our system over here, fuck everybody anyway possible. If the laws don't allow you to, pay money to change the laws so you can make more money. That's just how things are in America. Buuuut I still love this place regardless
 
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jb0yx said:
Lady pours a cup of coffee on her lap at mcdonalds and sues them because it was hot.... And won... Millions.
*sigh*
There's an accepted standard temperature at which coffee can be served. Serving it any hotter than this is not allowed. McDonald's had a policy of heating their coffee to a few degrees above this standard temperature on the grounds that it takes a few minutes for people to get all their food together and get to their table. It was proven that the coffee was given to her before it had adequate time to cool to the standard temperature, therefore McDonald's was actually out of line by serving coffee that really was too hot. The compensation for burning someone with overhot coffee is also standard: one day earnings from coffee. If this had happened at some regular restaurant, or a mom and pop coffee shop, she'd have gotten a few thousand. Because this happened at a McDonald's, she got 1 day coffee sales across the whole of the franchise: 1 day for every McDonald's in the franchise out there = several million dollars. Can you imagine if it had happened at Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts, whose income is almost exclusively coffee?
 
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WizardStan said:
jb0yx said:
Lady pours a cup of coffee on her lap at mcdonalds and sues them because it was hot.... And won... Millions.
*sigh*
There's an accepted standard temperature at which coffee can be served. Serving it any hotter than this is not allowed. McDonald's had a policy of heating their coffee to a few degrees above this standard temperature on the grounds that it takes a few minutes for people to get all their food together and get to their table. It was proven that the coffee was given to her before it had adequate time to cool to the standard temperature, therefore McDonald's was actually out of line by serving coffee that really was too hot. The compensation for burning someone with overhot coffee is also standard: one day earnings from coffee. If this had happened at some regular restaurant, or a mom and pop coffee shop, she'd have gotten a few thousand. Because this happened at a McDonald's, she got 1 day coffee sales across the whole of the franchise: 1 day for every McDonald's in the franchise out there = several million dollars. Can you imagine if it had happened at Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts, whose income is almost exclusively coffee?
hey that's pretty cool, didn't know that whole story

but just because it's standard practice doesn't mean it's not ridiculous

I would think what would be fair would be pay for dry cleaning, hell maybe even a new outfit of her choosing, any medical bills (if any) and like book of free food coupons... but that's just common sense talking.

other points still valid with healthcare and the lawyers
 
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Kangal said:
If it has buttons, we failed.
If you see a Task Manager, we failed.
If you see a Stylus, we failed.

Apple must think I fail for; driving a car with buttons and Multi-tasking with a Pen while I do so!
Do I get a +1 ?
No. :p You get a correction: I'm using a Macintosh at this moment, I'm guessing you're unaware of them. It has plenty of buttons and a very full-featured activity monitor (or task manager, if you prefer), which is easily on-par with the KSysGuard in KDE3. There's no stylus because it has no touch-screen, though. :lol:

(Hint: They make more than just iPhones, you know. ;))
 
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Prometheus said:
Kangal said:
If it has buttons, we failed.
If you see a Task Manager, we failed.
If you see a Stylus, we failed.

Apple must think I fail for; driving a car with buttons and Multi-tasking with a Pen while I do so!
Do I get a +1 ?
No. :p You get a correction: I'm using a Macintosh at this moment, I'm guessing you're unaware of them. It has plenty of buttons and a very full-featured activity monitor (or task manager, if you prefer), which is easily on-par with the KSysGuard in KDE3. There's no stylus because it has no touch-screen, though. :lol:

(Hint: They make more than just iPhones, you know. ;) )

sure thats why they keep throwing away new iphone prototypes at pubs, they must feel so frustrated showing a new gen every x time, i feel like they are using some king of moore like law. (that guy must want to produce something else besides iphones)
 
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I can't comment on that, I'm afraid. I have no interest in mobile telephones, so I don't keep up with any news about them. :)
 
WizardStan: Wow, that's funy :) OK, other country = different habit. In our country we know that café is hot drink and if You drop it's your fault if You get harm from it (except somebody other poke to You or so). Everybody knows small baby can die if it scald with fresh hot café on large body area. So let handle their café carefully and lawyers to do something more useful :)
ninjas everywhere...
 
peca said:
WizardStan: Wow, that's funy :) OK, other country = different habit. In our country we know that café is hot drink and if You drop it's your fault if You get harm from it (except somebody other poke to You or so). Everybody knows small baby can die if it scald with fresh hot café on large body area. So let handle their café carefully and lawyers to do something more useful :)
ninjas everywhere...
If I give you a coffee heated to some 200 C (technically not possible, you just keep adding more heat above 100 C until it all boils away, but bear with me), and your skin actually burns off on contact with the extremely hot cup, is it still your fault, or have I served you coffee that is unacceptably hot and should therefore be punished? The US has simply defined the temperature that is acceptable, rather than taking some kind of "was it too hot or wasn't it?" case by case approach.
The acceptable temperature in the US is 96 C, by the way, and anything above that is considered unreasonable. Another 4 degrees and it would literally be boiling. McDonald's new policy is to serve coffee at 90 C, just to avoid any possibility of this happening in the future.
Many other people have tried to sue for overhot coffee, and failed, because in every case it was proven that the coffee was served below the 96 C.
And paying for cleaning and medical bills isn't really enough: it's not just supposed to be reparation for the victim, but also a punishment for the perpetrator. Would simply giving back the money be an acceptable punishment for theft?
 
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jb0yx said:
mali said:
^ In Europe it's much harder to patent nonsense, though.
In America people patent everything, and sue everybody for whatever the he'll they feel like. There's like 10x the ratio of lawyers to everything else out there than other places in the world, it's why our health care is so jacked up and costs so much.

Lady pours a cup of coffee on her lap at mcdonalds and sues them because it was hot.... And won... Millions. That's the nature of our system over here, fuck everybody anyway possible. If the laws don't allow you to, pay money to change the laws so you can make more money. That's just how things are in America. Buuuut I still love this place regardless
Wouldn't it be much more better for the people to make more "solid" laws? So in the way that the people are responsible for what they do. Every kid knows that Coffee is hot and here in Germany, the Woman with the Coffee wouldn't see a cent even if she sues up through the highest european court. :lol:
I mean, with that US "logic" you could sue a Gun-Factory because you've not known that your gun kills people when you shoot. ;)
Laws can be changed and I strongly suggest to change the laws in a way that doesn't make completely idiots out of people and Companies don't have to write the most simply things onto each stuff. ("Objects in the mirror are closer than they look" :D )
Or do the Lawyers itself make these stupid laws? :lol:
 
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guess I should thank the american... without em I prolly wouldn't have that absolutly needed advice on my soldering iron notice "warning the tip of the iron become hot"...

yeah, many thanks for that, it avoided me so much burns...
 
fusion_power said:
I mean, with that US "logic" you could sue a Gun-Factory because you've not known that your gun kills people when you shoot. ;)
No you can't. It's known that gun+bullet = dangerous weapon. There is an expectation that when you fire a gun, the traveling bullet will damage whatever is in its path. It's expected to be dangerous.
Imagine if the gun factory produced a faulty gun that exploded when you fired it. Should you as the gun owner take full responsibility, or is there a reasonable expectation of guns to not explode when you fire them?
Incidentally:
The decision was appealed by both McDonald's and Liebeck in December 1994, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000
So while the original suggestion was several million, the final amount was only $600'000: $160'000 for medical and legal expenses, and $440'000 punitive.

edit: Japan has a chainsaw with the warning "Do not stop with genitals", and you're talking about stupid things on US packages? :p
 
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WizardStan said:
And paying for cleaning and medical bills isn't really enough: it's not just supposed to be reparation for the victim, but also a punishment for the perpetrator. Would simply giving back the money be an acceptable punishment for theft?
publicity of the event should be enough to get them to correct their wrongdoing. It should be a case by case judgement on what should be done to correct it, give the customer free food and reasonable reparations... make the company donate 20 million to a charity if they "must pay" for their criminal offence.

The fact that you as a citizen can punish a large company or doctor and get from them what proportionally would be considered a traffic ticket to that company or other person based off income, I think is an insane practice. The fine should fit the crime and whatever fine is incurred should go to a 3rd party that has nothing to do with the situations. Lawyers shouldn't see a % for their case, they should see a set amount based on work involved or a standard fee based on how good they are. Having a hired attorney that will charge a client $5,000 and then turn around and charge a company $500,000 for roundabouts the same amount of work just because they can... ridiculous.

Call me socialist, but I don't agree with alot of capitalist ideas.

Laws can be changed and I strongly suggest to change the laws in a way that doesn't make completely idiots out of people and Companies don't have to write the most simply things onto each stuff.
there is a saying here in america, "If You Make Something Idiot-Proof, They Will Just Make A Better Idiot" it's a saying for a reason ;)
 
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fusion_power said:
I mean, with that US "logic" you could sue a Gun-Factory because you've not known that your gun kills people when you shoot. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vX4ETlCr4A
 
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mali said:
fusion_power said:
I mean, with that US "logic" you could sue a Gun-Factory because you've not known that your gun kills people when you shoot. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vX4ETlCr4A
i have youtube blocked at work.. is that the "guns don't kill people" video? That song is straight up gangsta
 
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