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It's stable at 1.7GHz with 4GB RAM under Slackware ARM 14.2 and -current.
Voltage specs for 2GHz are not available. Do you have them ?

Then the dev team needs to figure out how they are doing it and what the difference is.

2Ghz, 4GB & Ubuntu (Debian derrivative) is what they advertise as supported.
https://www.cnx-software.com/2014/0...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-149-euros/

Maybe the 2Ghz timings and 4GB RAM settings can be harvested from the items in their git repository?
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I plan also to do some Java-programming on the Pyra, while travelling.
(Web-Applications with Eclipse as IDE and Firefox or any other browser)
I'm afraid this is not feasible with 2GB of RAM.

Ask @TrashyMG, if he has time, to run that scenario on the 2GB dev board. I suspect you'll be surprised.
 
So to summarise what you're saying: the specification for the Pyra as advertised, and pre-ordered by ~90% of individuals, was inadequately researched and ill-conceived from the start? Or did I misunderstand?

Somehow I doubt that this was actually the case.

Like a few others, I simply want the best specification possible for the price, but lack the technical knowledge here regarding what is actually feasible, or practical.

TBH Ed was bullied into more ram by a few select individuals, one of which was pissed he couldn't get 8GB made specially for him and very vocal about it.

I ordered 4GB myself, because why not, but I am at 3 or 4 years into the pyra now, with a preorder as soon as it opened about 2 years ago. We need positive movement, and trashy had shown how much you can do with the 2GB.

Right now if 4GB is solved today, 2 more years wouldn't surprise me, there are case issues, antenna issues (WiFi), main board issues still (something to do with eagle layouts) amongst others

If anyone else other than ED was heading this... I would bail. That said, if I could get it this year, 2GB with cellular would be just fine with me.
 
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a little bit old but http://www.cs.montana.edu/~halla/aos/ "In linux the top 1GB of each 4GB virtual address space maps kernel data, the rest is user space." -> 3GB
That limit is configurable, you can use more than 3GB if you want to. However, the Java VM is PAE aware and can circumvent the whole address range limit (requires server mode, Oracle's Java defaults to client mode on Windows only).

As far as modded Minecraft on Linux goes you're more likely run out of virtual address space before RAM becomes an issue - pro tip: make use of MALLOC_ARENA_MAX to avoid having glibc mass pre-allocate memory ranges for the tons of tiny processes spawned by Java, it'll make it a LOT more playable on 32bit systems. I had some fun times getting that stuff to run on a T60p whose chipset only supports up to 3GB RAM...
 
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I'd happily go with the 2Gb now and 4Gb as upgrade later. And IMHO that's the Way to go if the Fault is on the CPU-PCB: 1st Batch 2Gb Only and those who want 4Gb have to/want to wait.
 
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TBH Ed was bullied into more ram by a few select individuals, one of which was pissed he couldn't get 8GB made specially for him and very vocal about it.
I don't remember any bullying, just lots of asking and discussion. If you meant me as the pissed person, I was not, however I frequently brought/bring it up, especially when Grench is on his campaign. The way I look at it is that if the SoC was designed for it we can find a way to use it, and all I really wanted was discussion, and not blindly accepting whatever quantity (although the videos were different lacking imo, TrashyMG really helped restore my confidence that real web browsing and other activity at the same time would be doable with 2GB). This comes from the experience of the lack of RAM when using the Pandora, on which web browsing is nearly pointless for many of us at this point. If you mean somebody else that was asking for various custom features, such as no touch layer, I don't think there was much emotional response by them with that, and especially not any vocal displays of being pissed. That person also frequently challenges things rather than just accepting them. So does Grench. So do many of us, including a few I haven't seen in a while.

Oh, and there is no guarantee of an upgrade in the future, so no reason to put faith in that. We want it to happen, but that alone doesn't make things happen.
 
I don't remember any bullying, just lots of asking and discussion. If you meant me as the pissed person, I was not, however I frequently brought/bring it up, especially when Grench is on his campaign. The way I look at it is that if the SoC was designed for it we can find a way to use it, and all I really wanted was discussion, and not blindly accepting whatever quantity (although the videos were different lacking imo, TrashyMG really helped restore my confidence that real web browsing and other activity at the same time would be doable with 2GB). This comes from the experience of the lack of RAM when using the Pandora, on which web browsing is nearly pointless for many of us at this point. If you mean somebody else that was asking for various custom features, such as no touch layer, I don't think there was much emotional response by them with that, and especially not any vocal displays of being pissed. That person also frequently challenges things rather than just accepting them. So does Grench. So do many of us, including a few I haven't seen in a while.

Oh, and there is no guarantee of an upgrade in the future, so no reason to put faith in that. We want it to happen, but that alone doesn't make things happen.

Nope it was not you. This person we later found out hasn't preordered.. Come to think of it I havent seen them around in a while.
 
Twin Peaks has finished, so I need something new.
well the keyboard thread has more side plots than twin peaks.
some people hated the ending though, probably because the most popular fan theory was the one which was right so everyone knew where the whole thing was going. it's kind of lacking in twists, too, and the mystery part was very short lived.

(edit: this is not sarcasm or anything, i just watched twin peaks and now i'm out of stuff to do/watch too D: )
 
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I just want to be upfront about a couple things. I agree with some of what Grench is saying, and being stuck with a 4GB option even if it will delay production really sucks (if it doesn't, yes "MOAR RAMS" and I would like 4GB). If that issue did cause a noticeable delay I would let my preference go instantly, and ask for 2GB. Can the 4GB option be removed without causing problems at this point?
Maybe with an email saying "hey, 4GB will only be available to preorderers, and they will be delayed until after all initial 2GB unit preorders have shipped, with an additional cost tacked on, so you can switch to 2GB and everything goes as expected, or you can wait 2 Months for work on the 4GB option to continue, and run-ons are great."
It doesn't seem to me that the RAM is significantly holding anything up at this point, though.

Nope it was not you. This person we later found out hasn't preordered.. Come to think of it I havent seen them around in a while.
I think I was informed of who you meant, and I thought some of those comments were tongue in cheek like some of my own, so I liked and agreed with them. Sorry if I inadvertently supported any bullying or abuse. I will attempt to be more aware of this in the future.


Twin Peaks has finished, so I need something new.
I was waiting for them all so that when I am in the right mental state (assuming they are more like his films than earlier Twin Peaks) I can get through them all at once.

I'm watching Revenge, also the Last Ship just resumed
Ewww! ;) For those that like things a bit creepier, many of the horror shows have been airing, or are returning soon. Also, a couple of series on starships are coming soon.

@jeeks, I had to stop reading your post. Ya know we we have spoiler tags, right?
[doublepost=1504550749,1504550716][/doublepost]I just want to be upfront about a couple things. I agree with some of what Grench is saying, and being stuck with a 4GB option even if it will delay production really sucks (if it doesn't, yes "MOAR RAMS" and I would like 4GB). If that issue did cause a noticeable delay I would let my preference go instantly, and ask for 2GB. Can the 4GB option be removed without causing problems at this point?
Maybe with an email saying "hey, 4GB will only be available to preorderers, and they will be delayed until after all initial 2GB unit preorders have shipped, with an additional cost tacked on, so you can switch to 2GB and everything goes as expected, or you can wait 2 Months for work on the 4GB option to continue, and run-ons are great."
It doesn't seem to me that the RAM is significantly holding anything up at this point, though.

Nope it was not you. This person we later found out hasn't preordered.. Come to think of it I havent seen them around in a while.
I think I was informed of who you meant, and I thought some of those comments were tongue in cheek like some of my own, so I liked and agreed with them. Sorry if I inadvertently supported any bullying or abuse. I will attempt to be more aware of this in the future.


Twin Peaks has finished, so I need something new.
I was waiting for them all so that when I am in the right mental state (assuming they are more like his films than earlier Twin Peaks) I can get through them all at once.

I'm watching Revenge, also the Last Ship just resumed
Ewww! ;) For those that like things a bit creepier, many of the horror shows have been airing, or are returning soon. Also, a couple of series on starships are coming soon.

@jeeks, I had to stop reading your post. Ya know we we have spoiler tags, right?
 
Read the history and the piles of posts from @Mr_Loon pushing for it and @TrashyMG responses proving through testing & videos of it being wholy unnecessary.
He only proved it unnecessary for the use cases, he tested it for. To prove it WHOLY unnecessary, you'd need to test it for every thinkable use case. That should keep you busy for the week. Have fun.

-beyond what the OMAP can keep up with processing (actual testing)-
So you're saying the SoC cannot munch through the data as fast as storage can provide it? I fear, ED is going to face over 1k refund requests then. But, how come you're not pleading for no RAM at all? That' be very sensible, should your claim hold up. o.O
 
I had to stop reading your post. Ya know we we have spoiler tags, right?
all text of my post is about the keyboard thread. but yeah, i'll mark it as spoiler (for the keyboard thread) ;) i don't even know any fan theories about twin peaks ._.'
 
all text of my post is about the keyboard thread. but yeah, i'll mark it as spoiler (for the keyboard thread) ;) i don't even know any fan theories about twin peaks ._.'
Ok, I thought it was talking more about Twin Peaks.
 
@rygD

Nah I never really thought you were pushing super hard, it was one person plus a couple of gpdwin folks. But really this is one of the nicest forms on the net.

Regarding pyra, I also don't think the ram is the sole holdup as a mentioned a few others, but it would be nice to accelerate the timeline any way we can.

Revenge is super soapy, but still kinda entertaining. Defenders is also worth a watch.
 
The idea of a magnesium heat sink made me smile. :) This would provide us with the spectacle of a Pyra in flames! Nicely thematic, but Pyras are rather pricey for a one-time entertainment use, however spectacular the effect. :p

Massive bloc of magnesium presents no risk... You'd be hard pressed to heat it hard enough for it to ignite... The rest of the pyra would be completely charred before the magnesium would burn...

(Depends how fine you cut the radiating fins.) I had hoped that what I wrote wouldn't be mistaken for a serious comment; serves me right indulging my whimsical side -- that always seems to annoy people and/or elicit overly literal interpretations!
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Magnesium is very light and strong, used in a lot of places such as Thinkpad laptop frame, and Helicopters to give two examples.
Hmm... these are not elemental magnesium but rather some magnesium alloy, are they not?
 
Then the dev team needs to figure out how they are doing it and what the difference is.

2Ghz, 4GB & Ubuntu (Debian derrivative) is what they advertise as supported.
https://www.cnx-software.com/2014/0...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-149-euros/

Maybe the 2Ghz timings and 4GB RAM settings can be harvested from the items in their git repository?

You are quoting an old article, I suggest you to use reliable sources of informations, e.g. the constructor's website :
https://www.isee.biz/products/igep-processor-boards/igepv5-omap5432
"Processor board DUAL core ARM Cortex-A15 up to 1,5 GHz"
 
Hmm... these are not elemental magnesium but rather some magnesium alloy, are they not?
Yes, the Thinkpads use a titanium alloy.

However, you can already get cars with a solid magnesium trunk lid, like a Ford Mondeo (sold as Fusion in the US).
 
And for an upgrade board a year after release, it would have been awesome. Where the RAM doubling went wrong for the initial release was when 1. The community pushed for a pre-sale specification that 2. Had no working/operational example and 3. Was not necessary for launch units and 4. Has no current sane need/use.
If there had been no problems then you wouldn't have any reason to complain. The only reason the community's collective decision is an issue is because it is causing a problem. It's wholly unfair to complain that people made the wrong decision so long ago based on current information: we couldn't have known what kind of problems there would be, and everything pointed to 4GB just being a straight up upgrade from 2GB, so why shouldn't we have investigated it? There's no real "need" for a lot of features. If something had gone catastrophically wrong with the vibramotor and ED, determined to at least try, spent an extra few weeks working with hns to make it work we would be in the exact same position and you'd be able to apply your same complaints to that.
I get where you're coming from, I had the same emotion when the uSD/eMMC came up, but I complained about the decision to keep going, not the original decision. Blaming the original decision for the current situation is just blaming people for not having precognition.

Pyra could initially ship at 2GB and save 4GB for an upgrade board some day if it can then be reliable.
Yeah, it could, and it may still go that way. It's up to ED, he's the one in charge. He can, at any point in time, decide the 4GB issue is taking too long to solve and just go to production with 2GB.
 
Pyra could initially ship at 2GB and save 4GB for an upgrade board some day if it can then be reliable.
Except it can't, because CPU + RAM is on its own board. Replacing the RAM means replacing the board, which if we're going to do that is going to be silly to just double the RAM and keep the processor.

These aren't your regular desktop RAM sticks or even laptop-style SODIMMs. This device is too small for that. It's soldered to the board itself, so to replace the RAM, you're also replacing the board.

Replacing the board sure as hell will cost more than the doubling of the RAM will, and considering how many pre-orders are for the 4 GB version, to say that the reduction would be disastrous on ED would be an understatement. It could possibly do him in if there's hundreds of cancellations.

I know of no examples of working devices that reliably use 4GB or 8GB of RAM on an OMAP. Does anyone?
How the hell do you equivocate "I haven't seen one do it" with "It can't be done?"

Such blindness prompted me to do a 10 second google search. And lookee what I found!

If you're not interested in clicking that link, though, here's some numbers:
  • Compulab, CM-T54 System on Module:
    • Up to 4GB DDR3 and up to 32GB on-board eMMC
  • IGEPv5: TI OMAP5432 Dual Cortex-A15 High Performance & Low Power Platform
    • The IGEPv5 platform supports until 4096 MB DDR3L and 8GB eMMC
You can try to say "Those aren't in anything" all you want, and while you'd be technically right since those are development boards and not production hardware, clearly Texas Instruments wouldn't have, ON THEIR OWN WIKI, stuff that can support 2+ GB of RAM if the OMAP 5 couldn't handle more than 2 GB of RAM.

Again, ten seconds of google searching.

Please think with your brains, not with your ass.

If Minecraft is a single process, then you might be out of luck even with a 4GB version.
The maximum size a single app can be on a 32bit CPU under linux is 2GB, unless things has changed.
Minecraft detects based on CPU if it should download 32-bit or 64-bit. There is definitely a 64-bit version of Minecraft - that's what I run on my home PC.

Also, you are confusing "app size" with memory consumption, and in that case, 3 GB is actually the de-facto limit for most 32-bit apps. Regardless, moot, since Minecraft has a 64-bit version.

By my calculation approximately 92% of pre orders are for a 4GB unit
Yeah, that was a goof on my part. I was counting the mobile units (as those clearly proved more popular).

The preorder tracker is still up and accurately tracking
, which is where I pulled my numbers from. Out of (currently) 1096 units, a whopping 25 are 2GB units in any way, shape, or form - 8 Euro Mobile, 3 US Mobile, 14 Non-Mobile.

This is actually closer to 98% of pre-orders being for a 4 GB unit.

It isn't exactly enough to justify a production run of only 2 GB units unless ED eats some of the cost - IIRC optimal for him is batches of 500, and there's not nearly enough for him to do this without eating some kind of loss unless he can get it made in a smaller batch (like 50 or something).
 
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