Nintendo Ds Price

[finty]

only a matter of time till something comes out to beat GTA (like Colors on the Gizmondo and that new game Without Fear or watever that was announced not long ago)

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Bwahahahahahahaha. In house Gizmondo production beating GTA?

Seriously, will all the fanboys please stop fighting, you all end up looking like sad bastards.

 

[PinkSpider]

I suspect Gizmondo will fail, there is no way they can succeed against Sony or Nintendo.

Also ive decided not to get a DS and instead am getting a N64 as all I really wanted a DS for was portable N64.

Might buy a PSP, we shall see.

 

[bast525]

like GTA is the ONLY game coming out for PSP can't believe how long this silly argument is going. And for anyone talking down on GTA, you obviously haven't played San Andreas. I dont need blood and killing to enjoy my games, I love mario as much as any Nintendo fan, but San Andreas is just a friggin awesome, HUMONGOUS game with 100,000,000 things to do, and believe it or not, most of them are a lot of fun. If you took GTA 3 AND Vice City and combined them, I still dont think it would be as bit as San Andreas... and no I'm not talking about the size of the real estate, I'm just talking about the depth and amount of things you are free to do. San Andreas won the PS2 game of the year award hands down. By the way, this praise is coming from someone who HATED GTA3 AND Vice City... couldn't stand either one of them for more than a day.


Sorry if preffering like 3x as many games to choose from that all have better graphics and more fun than just tapping or rubbing a touch screen means I'm in Sony's pocket....

 

[kotd]

I'm with Bast, you gotta be joking as if I bought the PSP for GTA. THeres gonna be 26 friggin games on Launch!Best launch ever no matter what anyone says.

Touching is not good on the DS. Touching is a gimmick as are the 2 screens. I have not seen any game on the DS use it to make the game more fun, well maybe feel the magic. On the pocket PC the touch screen rocks for the OS as well as RTS games.

Also the second screen is used for showing the map on 99% of the games. I think thats a terrible waste of an extra screen. Who the hell needs a map constantly 24/7? Its more fun playing without one in most games. Would have been better making 1 bigger screen.

 

[bast525]

26 games eh? I didn't even know that...


More games on the PSP launch than the DS STILL has after over 3 mos? That's sad....


Dont get me wrong the touch screen has potential, wario ware and feel the magic ARE fun, I'm really hoping someone makes some really good uses for the touch screen. I cringe when I think what cheesy way they may try to work it into Mario Kart please dont f up the formula nintendoooooo.

 

[kotd]

Yep 26 games on the US launch, more to follow straight after, you can't fault that. I wonder how many on the Aus launch? 50? lol.

The biggest problem I have with the DS is the second screen can only show 2D not 3D. Theres heaps of potential lost there......hence why they make maps on most games

 

[bast525]

where did you hear that? that's not true at all.... both screens can show whatever the DS is fully capable of.

look at Feel the magic, in which most of the 'action' takes place on the bottom screen, lots of polygons going on there. Or look at the Mario 64 DS mini games, lots of them have mario or varios other characters - made up of polygons - moving freely between the top and bottom screen.


Many games also have the option to play the main screen on the top or the bottom screen, such as metroid prime hunters, you can run the main screen on either screen, the best proof that both screens can display the full graphics capabilities of the system.

 

[craigix]

It can only sort of do things on both screens at once, you can flip between them, but the DS hardware can only do 3D on one screen at once and the other screen would be GBA style sprite hardware. If you drop the frame rate you can use one bit of hardware on both screens at once.

I've not started DS dev'ing yet, but this is what i've gathered from reading up on the HW.

So having a 3D game over both screens at once seems quite unlikely without some hardware trickery and a much lower frame rate.

-Craig

www.gbax.com

 

[bast525]

*shrug* well it makes sense that you'd have to split the main processors power if you were going to run 3d on both screens at once... so that you could either run half as many poly's on both screens or run the full number of polys on each screen but at half the frame rate.

Well I am no devver all I can say is what I've seen with my own eyes, and that is that some games do freely move polygonal, 3d graphics between one screen and the other, or have polygon stuff going on on both screens at once, and despite what Craig is saying, I wouldn't say these games (Mario and Feel the Magic for example) run at a noticeably low framerate to accomplish this. I only have a few games I can use for example, but again, just noting what I have seen so far.

 

[mattmagoo]

well the drop in frame rate wont be too noticable

since it will drop from 60fps to 30fps, which is stilla faster than a TV

i think the PSP does about 50fps stable

 

[Rico]

This PSP fanboyism is annoying me, I'd be seriously surprised if any of you will actually play your PSP on the go. You'll be sitting in your living rooms like sad bastards playing GTA on a tiny screen.

 

[RoboJoe32]

Like I sit in my house/at friend's house like a sad bastard playing Sonic on My GP32? :rolleyes:

I hate the GTA series, but i'm getting a PSP for dynasty warriors, untold legends, dark stalkers, Ys, Mercury, Wipeout: Pure, twisted metal: Head on, annnd maybe ridge racer. And Infected (it looks promiseing) Coded arms is shapeing up too, it looked a bit gritty/blah in the beginning.

It's not fanboyism to be excited about a system, it is however fanboyism for me to say something like... a gizmondo game can out-sell a top franchise of any system

 

[finty]

This PSP fanboyism is annoying me, I'd be seriously surprised if any of you will actually play your PSP on the go. You'll be sitting in your living rooms like sad bastards playing GTA on a tiny screen.

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TBH I have no high hopes for GTA on the PSP, but I do find that statement very fanboyish, and out of charecter. Are you doing drugs? One of the first signs is a change in behaviour .

 

[trooper]

This PSP fanboyism is annoying me, I'd be seriously surprised if any of you will actually play your PSP on the go. You'll be sitting in your living rooms like sad bastards playing GTA on a tiny screen.

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TBH I have no high hopes for GTA on the PSP, but I do find that statement very fanboyish, and out of charecter. Are you doing drugs? One of the first signs is a change in behaviour .

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What, You mean like Craigix.

Trooper

 

[spray]

my only wish for the psp gta is that theres lot of side missions, lots of things you can do in gradual steps that involve exploring the game area etc. and the ability to save after each of these small steps

i think that would make it good for a game that can be picked up at will.

oh, and bikes, lots of bikes

 

[kotd]

I play mine on the go, as well as at home when someones stealing my PC, as I don't bother playing console games. Only play PC

 

[kotd]

It can only sort of do things on both screens at once, you can flip between them, but the DS hardware can only do 3D on one screen at once and the other screen would be GBA style sprite hardware. If you drop the frame rate you can use one bit of hardware on both screens at once.

I've not started DS dev'ing yet, but this is what i've gathered from reading up on the HW.

So having a 3D game over both screens at once seems quite unlikely without some hardware trickery and a much lower frame rate.

-Craig

www.gbax.com

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Thats what I'm talking about. If the DS had enough power to do N64 graphics on both screens at the same time than that would be cool, lots of potential there. Switching between screens doesn't seem very fancy. It just looks like most companies will use the second screen for maps and thats pretty dodgy useless.....

 

[bast525]

And all this anti PSP crap is annoying ME. Especially considering most of the points people make against the PSP are pretty damn lame (who the hell wants to play a crap game like GTA??? riiiiiiight. What? Better graphics? Who the hell wants to play games with better graphics!! riiiiiiiiight).

And I do play mine on the go ALL the time. I play it whenever I go somewhere with my wife, out doing errands or whatever. I play in the car (needless to say I usually ask her to drive), at the supermarket, at the mall, or any other place I can get in a quick round (usually of golf) while she shops or whatever. I also play at home during times that the shows she likes are on TV... a concept those of you single guys probably find pretty hard to swallow (what, someone ELSE getting to choose what to watch on tv??) oh or I could just be an antisocial prick and go play games on the TV in the other room? I like being near my wife, thank you very much.

As far as playing GTA or any other games on the 'tiny' screen, first of all, it AINT tiny, and secondly, held a medium length away from your eyes (like 1.5-2'), it takes up just as much space in your field of vision as a medium sized big/wide screen TV if you sat about 6' away from it.


kotd - well don't count out the DS touchscreen yet... it's a relativley new thing for game companies to work with (though sega adapted quite quickly and nicely with Feel the Magic), but I'm sure with more time companies will really think up some very cool ways to make use of the second screen, stylus and even the microphone. And gimmicky or not, I have to say playing games with the stylus is pretty fun, and Metroid works GREAT with it. I still dont quite buy that the DS can't do some form of 3d graphics on both screens w/o taking a big hit to performance, I know there are really few games to use as an example... well really only one I can think of, but there are several examples in Feel the Magic that use 3d graphics on both screens at once.

 

[kotd]

Fair enough, your rational arguments have convinced me to give the DS a second chance. I'll give it to the end of the year. If it impresses me I'll buy it, otherwise its a second PSP instead.

Hehe usually ask your wife to drive? I guess you can play golf and drive on a straight road hehe.

Bast don't you like the phrase "PSP sucks cuz its got only one screen and better gfx means crap games and sony sucks and so does GTA"? (slightly exagerated ) hehehehe

 

[mattmagoo]

I dotn sound like im beign a fanboy or anything

but in all fariness 2D games work so much better on a protable console

they are so more accessible, this is why games like one line puzzle for the DS and lumineso n the PSP work well

games like GTA (especially a 3D one) is too deep for handheld gaming, I play Wario ware a hellava lot more that i playe Mario64DS, even tho i prefer mario.

Releasing GTA jjust emphasises the fact that PSP is about sittign and playing a game at home, if i hp on a bus and want to play my DS im not gonna play mario coz by the time im into the game i will have to stop playing, the same will happen with GTA