How Many In Total?

[craigix]

We're having some extra things done at the mould factory before they ship the parts, such as attaching the bumpers, stickers and adhesive strips. This will save us some serious time here.

We also want them to attach the action buttons and dpad to the keymat at the factory, but that might require some samples to be sent to us.

It's going to improve build speed substantially, and also mean every keymat won't need to be checked.

 

[neko]

We're having some extra things done at the mould factory before they ship the parts, such as attaching the bumpers, stickers and adhesive strips. This will save us some serious time here.

We also want them to attach the action buttons and dpad to the keymat at the factory, but that might require some samples to be sent to us.

It's going to improve build speed substantially, and also mean every keymat won't need to be checked.

So are you going to stop production after the first 1000 while you work this out with them? Or are you going to finish the first batch while you work with them on future batches?

 

[conso]

We're having some extra things done at the mould factory before they ship the parts, such as attaching the bumpers, stickers and adhesive strips. This will save us some serious time here.

We also want them to attach the action buttons and dpad to the keymat at the factory, but that might require some samples to be sent to us.

It's going to improve build speed substantially, and also mean every keymat won't need to be checked.

So are you going to stop production after the first 1000 while you work this out with them? Or are you going to finish the first batch while you work with them on future batches?

I really hope the latter. Can already see them sending sample over sample with wrong dpad in wrong direction, buttons in wrong order, crap like that. Don't you think first batchers had enough problems with them already?
I've ordered on day one, probably #201 or something like that on ED's list, and if I won't have my pandora in 2 months because you outsourced 2 days of work to those incompetent, unreliable basterds (at least that's what you tried to make us think about them), I'll finally quit.

 

[Jumpman]

Yeah, I would hope the team would just handle the reamining 3000 the way they have done these last 2 weeks. Thinking about that mould factory handling anything seems like trouble in a major way.

All we can do is put our faith in the team I guess, and hope they have a plan and a way to get those remaing 3000 done and shipped ASAP!

Chris

 

[Monk]

mean every keymat won't need to be checked.

Is looking to reduce the QC at this point wise?

 

[SomeGuy99]

Did you never watch Duck Tales?!

Life is like a Hurrica-a-ane, HERE IN.. GEN TALK!
Vague hints, short twits, For-um Tro-o-ols, IT'S A.. MUS-ING!
Might write a long post.. OR GET YOUR HAND-HELD!
GEN TALK! Eve-ry day they're out there mak-ing SMALL TALK!
Tales of dar-ing do bad and GOOD GUESS-WORK!

Note: -'s and spaces separate syllables. Might come up with more lyrics and post them later.

-God Ginrai

:lol:

 

[CodeTwister]

Asking the Chinese factory to do some extra work will most likely cause additional delays - especially if they have to send samples. OpenPandora requests should be at the end of the queue - just because its a small, tiny customer. (And don't call them bastards if you know only one side.)

I hope we won't see a first batch of 1000, followed by a gap of several weeks, and finally the "first batch part 2" + second batch in one continuous run. In that case, the major part of the first batch would be the same as the second batch.

 

[WizardStan]

This will save us some serious time here.

I'm worried it will shave a few days or even a week off the work that you need to do, but bring the time to produce those cases several weeks up.

 

[craigix]

Yeah, I would hope the team would just handle the reamining 3000 the way they have done these last 2 weeks. Thinking about that mould factory handling anything seems like trouble in a major way.

All we can do is put our faith in the team I guess, and hope they have a plan and a way to get those remaing 3000 done and shipped ASAP!

Chris

We can't continue the way it is, it takes too long. We spent *DAYS* just sticking on batch labels, bumpers, adhesive strips etc. Not good.

We need further organisation to speed things up, and these small changes we want will be worth it because they will mean the next 8000+ will be so much more easy to build.

Just stick with us while we get this right early on rather than later.

 

[second exodous]

Well, hopefully this will just slow things up for a little while, like the next 400 will wait but when the cases come pre-prepped a flood will get done and the 2000th one will get to the customer in the same time it would have had the cases not been pre-prepped.

Does that make sense?

 

[Loonie]

We can't continue the way it is, it takes too long. We spent *DAYS* just sticking on batch labels, bumpers, adhesive strips etc. Not good.

We need further organisation to speed things up, and these small changes we want will be worth it because they will mean the next 8000+ will be so much more easy to build.

Just stick with us while we get this right early on rather than later.

I am irritated by my powerlessness caused by my being in Canada-ness to be of assistance.

Sticking with you guys is pretty much all I am able to do.

 

[Patrick R Ludvigsen]

OPT: You're awesome

Since 700 boards were made, let's say 100 of those either reserved to Germany/defective/etc, that means that 600 MP Pandoras exist?

 

[Tom`]

OPT: You're awesome

Since 700 boards were made, let's say 100 of those either reserved to Germany/defective/etc, that means that 600 MP Pandoras exist?

I don't know that we have any idea how many are reserved to Germany/Turkey at this point, but I think Craig estimated around 1% defective units (may be a bit more than that if you take all the issues together, but I don't think the number of defective ones is very high). I think ED sold around 750 units, so if we assume an even distribution, we can say 20% go to ED, which means there should be 140 units reserved. So the first 560 should be ready to ship (or have already been shipped). I ordered at around 15:40 UTC, so I guess I have a chance...

 

[skyeyemachine]

I'm kind of struck by this perverse desire to RAEG about any possible further delays, especially since I'm so far back in the queue, but from what I've seen of the OPT's handling of the project, I trust in their desire to do a good job and realize something as important to them in so many respects as the Pandora is. It's a relief to see all the post-release quirks and problems being resolved, too; I think they're doing a good job of responding to customer concerns in a quick and reasonable fashion, considering the flaky factory they're dealing with and limited resources otherwise at their disposal. I bought in knowing that this was in many respects a prototypical venture for them, and I'm still very impressed with what they've managed to achieve, especially with their staying power in the face of adversity. I feel like the only thing that could really sour my experience with my Pandora once it arrives (aside from more waiting or some bizarre total hardware failure) would be the villainous scourge that is the dead pixel, and I certainly couldn't blame the OPT for that.

Not to mention that I'm still pretty much a newcomer compared to the folks that've been hanging around since the beginning, so I'm not nearly as entitled to raeg as the rest of you, I guess. :lol:

Anyway, best of luck in your dealings with the factory this time, Craig! I hope things go smoothly for once!

 

[thingie1234]

Yeah, I would hope the team would just handle the reamining 3000 the way they have done these last 2 weeks. Thinking about that mould factory handling anything seems like trouble in a major way. All we can do is put our faith in the team I guess, and hope they have a plan and a way to get those remaing 3000 done and shipped ASAP!Chris

We can't continue the way it is, it takes too long. We spent *DAYS* just sticking on batch labels, bumpers, adhesive strips etc. Not good.We need further organisation to speed things up, and these small changes we want will be worth it because they will mean the next 8000+ will be so much more easy to build.Just stick with us while we get this right early on rather than later.

I can understand the frustrations in spending days doing labels/ adhesive, etc.

However: based on previous performance, it's a reasonable concern to have that having the case factory do some work will end up saving you a handful of days of assembly by costing a month's delay at the case factory.

Is there ANY evidence to the contrary?

 

[gruso]

My first reaction was a bit of a groan, but it's not a mould tweak or anything so it's not that bad. This kind of work falls into the same category as painting I guess; just a few final touches that they can't really screw up.* The paint jobs were good the first time, and it only added maybe a week to the delivery time. Whatever saves OPT assembly time is good.

Perhaps a small batch of keymats and buttons could be sent to the UK before the factory starts attaching them, so production can roll on without waiting for samples?

* In before the obvious quote + clever quip.

 

[mysticmaus]

-___-

This can't be happening , more samples??? , more delays???

I'm getting sick just thinking about it! , other people are playing already and I'm still waiting while my deadline is closing in...

But hey , I'm powerless here so I'll just have to accept.. <_<

 

[Sugar_Kane]

It does slightly fill me with dread to think of more instructions being given to those guys, I have visions of two months worth of samples being sent over here to be checked, refused, checked, refused etc etc.

I do completely understand the time saving goals of the team though, and really the factory is the best solution to do the extra work, as bad as that sounds... yes, I want to believe that all will go smoothly and I think we should all remain positive, but the saga of case production was enough to make an audible sigh, from the collective first batchers, be heard across the world and I don't think a single one of us (with the exception of those that are reading this from their pandoras right now) isn't squirming right now.

 

[svs-57]

Yeah, I would hope the team would just handle the reamining 3000 the way they have done these last 2 weeks. Thinking about that mould factory handling anything seems like trouble in a major way.

All we can do is put our faith in the team I guess, and hope they have a plan and a way to get those remaing 3000 done and shipped ASAP!

Chris

We can't continue the way it is, it takes too long. We spent *DAYS* just sticking on batch labels, bumpers, adhesive strips etc. Not good.

We need further organisation to speed things up, and these small changes we want will be worth it because they will mean the next 8000+ will be so much more easy to build.

Just stick with us while we get this right early on rather than later.

I think you must finish first batch and only then organize new production process.

 

[Xtreme2k]

We can't continue the way it is, it takes too long. We spent *DAYS* just sticking on batch labels, bumpers, adhesive strips etc. Not good.

Craig, I believe you that this would save time for the whole project including the second (and maybe third) batch. It will, however, surely not speed up the remaining first batch units because the time for communicating the changes with the chinese, getting samples etc. will be more than the few days you would need to stick on those labels to the 3000 pandoras. You have to understand that I - like probably most of the people who pre-ordered - have no interest in speeding up the next batches. We have waited a really long time and expect you to get _our_ ones out as fast as possible, not further delaying it for your own future interests.