Gba Emulation

[Sephnroth]

thats uber cheeky. How can you patent something that isnt yours or that you havnt even created? Did nint ever make a gba emulator?

ohwell. no idea if the patent is valid outside of the usa, thats dancing on hot coals really

 

[pantera6]

Yes that brings us to a tight situation.
to be honest im surprised sony hasnt done the same for the ps1 considering many ps1 emus are out. and the one for the gp2x is comming along nicely.
the only way i can see nintendo not suing is if first the person who done the emu is anoymous. Not someone who is known for creating gba emu's. they cant find someone if they dont know who thyre looking for.
it would also have to uploaded to somewhere such as bittorent.
It wil also have to be free
It should not be uploaded to any other sites.

 

[GeminiDomino]

Yes that brings us to a tight situation.
to be honest im surprised sony hasnt done the same for the ps1 considering many ps1 emus are out. and the one for the gp2x is comming along nicely.
the only way i can see nintendo not suing is if first the person who done the emu is anoymous. Not someone who is known for creating gba emu's. they cant find someone if they dont know who thyre looking for.
it would also have to uploaded to somewhere such as bittorent.
It wil also have to be free
It should not be uploaded to any other sites.

Disclaimer: IANAA

Sony couldn't if they wanted to. There are already PSX emulators already, like you said. Thus, the emulator isn't an original idea (Bleem!, ePSX, etc... are what's called 'prior art') so there would have to be something new about it for a patent to be granted.

Nintendo did this by specifying emulation on a "low capability device" but only gives examples of them (PDA, cell phone, airplane seatbacks) but no definition. It could be argued that, since they offer no definitions and no methods that the patent is overbroad.

Basing it in a country where it is not a valid patent (The EU, for example, does not yet honor software patents) should fix the problem nicely.

 

[OmarNawaz]

Yes that brings us to a tight situation.
to be honest im surprised sony hasnt done the same for the ps1 considering many ps1 emus are out. and the one for the gp2x is comming along nicely.
the only way i can see nintendo not suing is if first the person who done the emu is anoymous. Not someone who is known for creating gba emu's. they cant find someone if they dont know who thyre looking for.
it would also have to uploaded to somewhere such as bittorent.
It wil also have to be free
It should not be uploaded to any other sites.

no dude thats sint the only way there are loopholes in everything

ill find a way trust me US patents dont apply outside of US unless you apply for internation madrid protocol saves you applying for patent in ach individual country

The Madrid Protocol relating to the Madrid Agreement Concerning the International Registration of Marks (Madrid Protocol), is an international treaty that allows a trademark owner to seek registration of their trademark in any of the countries that have joined the Madrid Protocol, by the filing of a single "international application" and the payment of the appropriate fees associated with said application to the International Bureau of WIPO (International Bureau).

As of February 2004, there were 62 countries participating in the Madrid Protocol. These countries include all of the countries of the European Union, Japan, Australia, China, and various countries throughout Eastern Europe (the former Soviet Union) and Africa. It should be noted that the protocol does not provide for a single registration for all of the participating countries, rather it facilitates the filing of international trademark applications simultaneously with multiple participating countries. The administration and management of the Madrid Protocol is centralized in the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) which is located in Geneva Switzerland. Once approved, international registration of a trademark is valid for ten years from the date of the filing and may be renewed for an additional ten year time period with the payment of the renewal fee to the International Bureau.



Need to find an up to date list of countries as long as Korea aint on it we are good to go people and some more info regardingnin patent i got a copy of it need to dig further though

EDIT: Looking promising guys will give you a update soon

 

[aapje89]

http://www.planetgamecube.com/newsArt.cfm?...56D057B62A2B39E

"Now that Nintendo is the sole, legal owner of GBA emulation, any and all emulators are now just as illegal as the ROMs"
WTF, nasty :S

software patents suck

edit: did you notice the date of the article, 04/29/2004 14:24:20, thats a long time ago... never heard of it though.

 

[PokeParadox]

From what I remember, the patent was filed for a development emulator... That is a an emulator that developer use to test/debug their GBA code.

GBPlayer isn't an emulator, since it actually has GBA hardware in there, that just pipes the sound and video to the Game Cube sound and video output.

Although it is vague enough to cause problems for emulator authors.

EDIT: files != filed, other spellings corrected too.

 

[PSyMastR]

Nintendo patented the GBA emulator, as if you've ever used the gamecube's GBA player, I dont think thats hardware emulated, I think its software emulated, or I could be mistaken.

 

[Shadowlord]

But, there ARE GBA emulators out there and I don't think the developers are having problems with Nintendo.
As far as I know, this MorphGear thing for PPC is even a commercial one and costs money!
AND: There's already a GBA emu for the GP2X - it's just slow as hell.

 

[PokeParadox]

Nintendo patented the GBA emulator, as if you've ever used the gamecube's GBA player, I dont think thats hardware emulated, I think its software emulated, or I could be mistaken.

Psy... read my post again. I have a GB Player. I also know that it is nothing more than a stripped down GBA (no screen, speaker, buttons, etc) which interfaces with the Cube's video, sound out put. It does a few thing other than this. But it isn't an emulator.

 

[sausage dog]

GBA on GP2X...might be nice...but only if it works at 250 mhz...anything over puts my GP2X out of action, as it does with a lot of other peoples systems.

Until then I'm happy with what we have now.

 

[Squidge]

Lets face it...

Nintendo's Patent is only valid in the US.

Unless your stupid enough to include your full name and address in the emulator, Nintendo are going to have a hard time trying to sue you. If you provide your email address, the best they can do is send you a cease and desist notice, but they can't actually enforce it if you just ignore it, or reply with something similar to "Go screw yourselves".

The problems in the past have been because of companies attempting to sell emulators, and profiting from other peoples work is never going to go down too well.

I've never seen anyone say they have received a C&D for a free emulator developed in there spare time.

 

[OmarNawaz]

hmmm youre right but I want to be absolutely sure this guys arse is covered I will feel like a real bastard if he gets sued or ends up with a C&D after all his hard work

"A software emulator for emulating a handheld video game platform such as GAME BOY.RTM., GAME BOY COLOR.RTM. and/or GAME BOY ADVANCE.RTM. on a low-capability target platform (e.g., a seat-back display for airline or train use, a personal digital assistant, a cell phone) uses a number of features and optimizations to provide high quality graphics and sound that nearly duplicates the game playing experience on the native platform. Some exemplary features include use of bit BLITing, graphics character reformatting, modeling of a native platform liquid crystal display controller using a sequential state machine, and selective skipping of frame display updates if the game play falls behind what would occur on the native platform."

Bastards init

 

[Jarska333]

...high quality graphics and sound that nearly duplicates the game playing experience on the native platform...

There's your loophole. Just make it 100%, and you're covered.

 

[Epicenter]

...high quality graphics and sound that nearly duplicates the game playing experience on the native platform...

There's your loophole. Just make it 100%, and you're covered.

I wish people would stop using this expression ... it's meaningless. No emulator is perfect, the concept is fundamentally impossible.

 

[reallynotnick]

...high quality graphics and sound that nearly duplicates the game playing experience on the native platform...

There's your loophole. Just make it 100%, and you're covered.

I wish people would stop using this expression ... it's meaningless. No emulator is perfect, the concept is fundamentally impossible.

Or he could just make far from duplicating it Or even BETTER!!! so its not "near" anymore.

 

[whiskthecat]

Go screw yourselves

:lol: I love you squidge :lol:

 

[GeminiDomino]

http://www.planetgamecube.com/newsArt.cfm?...56D057B62A2B39E

"Now that Nintendo is the sole, legal owner of GBA emulation, any and all emulators are now just as illegal as the ROMs"
WTF, nasty :S

software patents suck

edit: did you notice the date of the article, 04/29/2004 14:24:20, thats a long time ago... never heard of it though.

Just so you know, just because an arsehat lawyer says something, doesn't make it true. Another quote from that asshat is "Whether you have an authentic game or not, it is illegal to copy a Nintendo game from a cartridge or to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet." Which is total FUD.

 

[iignotus]

http://www.planetgamecube.com/newsArt.cfm?...56D057B62A2B39E

"Now that Nintendo is the sole, legal owner of GBA emulation, any and all emulators are now just as illegal as the ROMs"
WTF, nasty :S

software patents suck

edit: did you notice the date of the article, 04/29/2004 14:24:20, thats a long time ago... never heard of it though.

Just so you know, just because an arsehat lawyer says something, doesn't make it true. Another quote from that asshat is "Whether you have an authentic game or not, it is illegal to copy a Nintendo game from a cartridge or to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet." Which is total FUD.

It is illegal. Nintendo and Nintendo Licensees are the only ones who have the right to copy the data of one copyrighted game to or through any medium. By transferring the contents of that cartridge through a medium you are not licensed to do so, you are illegally infringing on their copyright(s).

 

[lintsniffer]

True 100%, but there is a certain 'legality through obscurity' if the po-po don't figure out, its not against the law if you get my drift.

 

[TelcoLou]

... what the hell was this topic about anyway?