I have to say that some of these d-pad designs are interesting. One thing I would like to say is to look at the Sega Nomad. I still own one and used it yesterday. I swear to God it has the best feeling and responsive d-pad I've ever used. If you could please look at designing one similar to that. I don't know if sega has it pattented (I'm assuming yes) but it really is the best d-pad I've ever used next to the sega saturn controller.
Craigix Discloses Information On New Gp2x?
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um ... I thought it was already confirmed by Craigix; the unit will have a "proper D-Pad" ...
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And I thought it was confirmed by ED that the unit WON'T have an analog joystick...
This sounds like it does. And it sounds like it has analog only (the zodiac did). They are all together with this too I think. Or it could be just BS. Who the hell knows anymore.quartercast said:
Squidge said:I think if you point out a relatively powerful (>300Mhz) 3D console thats open source, people will. However, no such console exists yet, but it will shortly, hopefully. We know you prefer vertical mame games to 3D games, but you are in the minority, get used to it.
Therefore I see no problem in having an analog joystick that can emulate a digital one for certain applications - best of both worlds, just like on the Zodiac.
That is nice, could work well. Kind of a "Sony Milo" or OQO type thing. It would probably realistically need to be a bit larger not to be cramped. This style is nice. I would buy that.Eolair said:Spy footage revealed:
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hmm if someone in the know said that there's no analog stick then that's that i guess.
it's disappointing though because it opens up some functionality for very little extra financial cost and probably no cost to ergonomics, assuming it's on the opposite side from the d-pad and below where the thumb could graze it.
plus, i'm not really getting the analog bashing. i think people figure that it symbolizes something unsavory, like the large amount of derivative first person shooters on the market. i don't even like those games myself, except quake a little bit. but a lot of people do get into them, and enjoy them as much as i enjoy other things, so why close that off? it's a big part of the video game market.
or maybe the opposite is true...a handheld with just a d-pad feels like a victory against the current trends.
but the practical reality is that it's interesting and usable technology, an alternate control scheme that will be helpful in many applications.
for instance, why hammer down the button to accelerate in a racing game? why not use an analog stick to cover the full range of the gas pedal? or even better, use it for turning?
i've admitted and will repeat that i was not thinking clearly when i suggested that an analog could do what a d-pad does. it will respond much differently, i had forgotten that.
i hope there is still some room to consider the inclusion of an analog control (although i don't know, maybe they do cost a lot, but how much could it be?), especially as there are some really cool low profile designs out there. also, i think that the exclusion of one will hurt potential sales, so one would hope there's a decent reason for it.
it's disappointing though because it opens up some functionality for very little extra financial cost and probably no cost to ergonomics, assuming it's on the opposite side from the d-pad and below where the thumb could graze it.
plus, i'm not really getting the analog bashing. i think people figure that it symbolizes something unsavory, like the large amount of derivative first person shooters on the market. i don't even like those games myself, except quake a little bit. but a lot of people do get into them, and enjoy them as much as i enjoy other things, so why close that off? it's a big part of the video game market.
or maybe the opposite is true...a handheld with just a d-pad feels like a victory against the current trends.
but the practical reality is that it's interesting and usable technology, an alternate control scheme that will be helpful in many applications.
for instance, why hammer down the button to accelerate in a racing game? why not use an analog stick to cover the full range of the gas pedal? or even better, use it for turning?
i've admitted and will repeat that i was not thinking clearly when i suggested that an analog could do what a d-pad does. it will respond much differently, i had forgotten that.
i hope there is still some room to consider the inclusion of an analog control (although i don't know, maybe they do cost a lot, but how much could it be?), especially as there are some really cool low profile designs out there. also, i think that the exclusion of one will hurt potential sales, so one would hope there's a decent reason for it.
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There is no analog, there is a touch screen for that.
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MWeston said:I know for fact how limited a small company can be when it comes to choosing from these new and powerful processors. In fact it seems to be the same with Wifi/Bluetooth modules as well and hopefully Craig (and team) have found good low volume sources for these parts without that ridiculous third-party mark up that seems to be the only option.Exophase said:
My first and current favorite choice for a processor is the OMAP3430 with the A8 Cortex core, but according to my TI Sales Rep, if I want to make a design with that chip, I need to commit to buying 20,000 pieces per MONTH!!! A chip like this is going to cost $30 each in high volume, at least (especially with memory stacking options) and I don't know about any of you, but I don't have $600k lying around each month for processors!
Yeah, it's such a sad story that we can't utilize these awesome new CPUs... and none of the utilizers want to make the thing gaming friendly. Would it kill Nokia's Linux device line to give it some gaming controls? Like, a real dpad and some buttons on the right side? Those kinds of controls are good for other things in general too, so I don't know why no one wants to invest the extra few dollars in it when it'd definitely garner some more sales. Isn't that the one big thing that's separating them from us?
Even worse, look at PocketPC's like Dell Axim x50v+ (I know they've stopped the line but consider similar ones too). They go so far as to have 3D acceleration and are still lousy controle-wise for most games! Hell, one of these companies can probably offer a gamer's version, or some kind of docking layout. You know, like every Korean and Chinese PMP doubles as a perfectly viable gaming device, but is all but completely unavailable here (save for the GP2X itself), so what's the deal?
I wish there was some eccentric billionaire to fund something like this. And that there weren't laws against practically giving them away (although I don't know how these work). Then you could do an incredible machine that could probably steal the handheld market from both Sony and Nintendo just by using top of the line existing hardware. That'd be pretty funny anyway. A handheld that costs like $50 and is three times as powerful as PSP. Of course, the demand would get completely out of hand, it'd take one of the richest people in the world to make it happen, but they could probably all but take over the market.
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SoCs like the i.MX31 or lower-end models from TI's OMAP series (that still contain high-clocked ARM9 processors, FPUs, 2D/3D accelerators and programmable DSPs) can be purchased for under $30 each in rather small quantities. The MMSP2+ might just have been selected as a snap decision to "succeed the GP2X" due to its use of the MMSP2. In the long run though, it does not make very much sense-- especially considering the poor documentation of MagicEyes parts.
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If there was no Nintendo, Sony, etc...who would you emulate?
I like Craig's handheld. It allows me to work on polishing up psx4all more so than the constant figuring out ways to inch performance up. Imagine OpenTTD and DOSBox as well. This seems to only be a good natural step up from the GP2X. Don't squash the handheld before it's out.
EDIT: KeyboardCowboy...Where can I get a i.MX31 for less than $30 in "low quantities"? Link? Pricesheet?
I like Craig's handheld. It allows me to work on polishing up psx4all more so than the constant figuring out ways to inch performance up. Imagine OpenTTD and DOSBox as well. This seems to only be a good natural step up from the GP2X. Don't squash the handheld before it's out.
EDIT: KeyboardCowboy...Where can I get a i.MX31 for less than $30 in "low quantities"? Link? Pricesheet?
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Yeah, I'd like to see this as well. I was talking to someone who was doing this as well and he said that only MES allowed the low quanities that he was looking at for the low pricepoint.zodttd said:If there was no Nintendo, Sony, etc...who would you emulate?
I like Craig's handheld. It allows me to work on polishing up psx4all more so than the constant figuring out ways to inch performance up. Imagine OpenTTD and DOSBox as well. This seems to only be a good natural step up from the GP2X. Don't squash the handheld before it's out.
EDIT: KeyboardCowboy...Where can I get a i.MX31 for less than $30 in "low quantities"? Link? Pricesheet?
I'd be interested to know who else quotes as low as MES in low quantaties.
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Sorry, but you're "too late". Your posts are getting repetitive and increasingly irrelevant. A decision has already been made - it's time for all of us to respect this choice and move on. I hope you can find solace in the fact that this device is being designed by very knowledgeable and patient individuals, i.e. they know what they are doing. Give them some encouragement, suggestions and most of all - space!KeyboardCowboy said:
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zodttd
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Sorry, but you're "too late". Your posts are getting repetitive and increasingly irrelevant. A decision has already been made - it's time for all of us to respect this choice and move on. I hope you can find solace in the fact that this device is being designed by very knowledgeable and patient individuals, i.e. they know what they are doing. Give them some encouragement, suggestions and most of all - space!
Agreed.
Well let me elaborate. Why agree with someone who said we can't get even 5 FPS in the impossible PSX emulator? Or perhaps we should listen to someone who has a grudge with Craig and can't get Stargazer to work on the GP2X.
Stargazer, no. PS1's Strikers 1945, yes. Excuse me while I play Oddworld with sound and no interlacing.
Sorry, but you're "too late". Your posts are getting repetitive and increasingly irrelevant. A decision has already been made - it's time for all of us to respect this choice and move on. I hope you can find solace in the fact that this device is being designed by very knowledgeable and patient individuals, i.e. they know what they are doing. Give them some encouragement, suggestions and most of all - space!
Agreed.
Well let me elaborate. Why agree with someone who said we can't get even 5 FPS in the impossible PSX emulator? Or perhaps we should listen to someone who has a grudge with Craig and can't get Stargazer to work on the GP2X.
Stargazer, no. PS1's Strikers 1945, yes. Excuse me while I play Oddworld with sound and no interlacing.
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I'm not KeyboardCowboy (and I agree that fighting about this point is useless).zodttd said:
But, in case you actually want to buy some, here's one link:
http://www.futurecb.com/Store/ProductDetai...REESCALE1839042
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zodttd
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Ok, no need to argue that point. Though I don't think that's the version he's speaking of: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/d...eet/MCIMX31.pdf
"The i.MX31takes advantage of the ARM1136JF-S™
core running at MHz, and is optimized for minimal[...]"
It's an ARM11 and doesn't specify the clockspeed. No big deal though. Look's nice in the specs.
"The i.MX31takes advantage of the ARM1136JF-S™
core running at MHz, and is optimized for minimal[...]"
It's an ARM11 and doesn't specify the clockspeed. No big deal though. Look's nice in the specs.
Dzz
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I think the MMSP2+ (if that's what the new machine is based on) will be a lot of fun to play with. I'm sure you're looking forward to having the muscle under the hood to get your emulator running perfectly!zodttd said:
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id like something like the dpad on the logitech precision
or the genesis 6 button controller
or the genesis 6 button controller
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