Seriously, why are you defending him ? I'd really like to know your true agenda.
TLDR: I can see everyone else attacking him left right and center, I don't agree with that, so I'd like to stand against that.
If he was indeed suffering that bad, why restart a project such like the ICP2.
1. because it promises to be a useful and successful device
2. no doubt he hopes to make some money with it, to help with his personal finances, and perhaps fill some more of the old Pandora pre-orders
3. it's a component of his plan for a "Pandora 2", again he might hope to make some money and fix up his personal situation and help fix the old Pandora pre-orders situation.
And I'd really like to know what happened with the money he received for the 1Ghz preorder units he never delivered himself and that ED ended up paying for from his own pocket. Do you feel bad for ED sometimes too ?
I don't know the details of all that, as I understand he had to pay a massive refund or face bankruptcy, and some of the money unfortunately had to be used to pay that refund.
I think all Craig's 1GHz orders have now been filled, I know I received mine (and I specifically asked that it should be shipped last, since I already had two other Pandoras).
ANd who said : " delivery by end of 2012, just a few months down the road", "regular updates with video of the manufacturing steps", etc.
Sure, I don't deny that hasn't turned out as he hoped. There are reasons for this:
- Craig was still starry-eyed optimist at least in his marketing speech, I don't think this is lying as such but it's unrealistic and perhaps deceptive, he should know better that it would take longer. The requirements changed after he made his estimates, with adding the LEDs - it was probably not a good idea to add them but I for one will be very glad to have the backlighting. Realistically it was always going to take time for MWeston to finish the software, too.
- No one can predict the future, shit goes wrong, and things don't happen how we planned. In general any time a politican makes a "promise" or any such thing, we need to realize they're expressing their intentions, and they can't control what actually happens, only do their best and hope for the best.
As for the regular updates and video updates - it would have been nice, but there hasn't really been much to see yet. We're only just getting the first boards from production. He is failing to live up to that promise to do the video updates, possibly due to embarrassment and dejection that it's taking so long. I can understand that - I also tend to go a bit silent if there's some disaster, I feel like avoiding the issue rather than talking about it. I'm sure if everything had gone swimmingly as he hoped, he would have been enthusiastic to make videos and all that. I'm not overly bothered by it.
Do you have a conflict of interest you'd like to disclose here to explain why you defend him to the death, and why you seem to be the ONLY one around here doing that ?
I really hate bullying and don't like to see a whole lot of people ganging up to diss someone who in my opinion does not deserve it to this extent. I also really hate to see people bullying Phil Fish for example, and made posts against that for the same reasons. I don't know Craig very well, but from my few communications with him, reading what he's posted on the boards at and watching his videos on youtube I feel friendly to him and have no complaints about what happened with the Pandoras that I eventually received (after paying a bit extra to help out).
How many were actually delivered by ED through his profits and donations instead of Craig ?
Yeah and I'm one of those donators, partly because I understand that what went wrong is NOT all Craig's fault. If Craig just took all the money and bought a yacht I would tell people to sue him. But that's not what happened. I want to help Craig get out of that bad situation and I want to help the people who didn't get their Pandoras out of that bad situation, so that's why I donated some money.
I do also feel somewhat sorry for ED who is forgoing all profits from his store in order to supply pre-orders, and has done a lot of work for no monetary reward as of yet. He's had a hard time of it too but is not in extra personal debt due to Pandora project as far as I know. And no one is bullying him. (except you could say Craig when he lost it on a very few random occasions)
By the way, it's nice to be having this discussion / rant-vs-rant in a dedicated thread, so I don't feel we're polluting the boards over much.
