COVID-19 / Coronavirus Pandemic

[Linux-SWAT]

Rich even got richer with the crisis.

Also, why waiting for a vaccine when hydroxychloroquine is a powerful cure ? Why was it suddenly forbidden in France ?

 

[levi]

It's advised not to use that if you have heart disease or diabetes, which would mean it shouldn't be used with lots of older people; the people being vaccinated in the past months. It also reportedly doesn't stop you getting covid-19, which the vaccines supposedly do. I don't think it's forbidden in France if you have what it was originally designed for; in cases where you have malaria, just they followed EU advise which I read followed US advice to stop using it for covid cases.

 

[Linux-SWAT]

It was a free to buy medicine, no medical prescription needed. Now you can't get it.
The counter indications were greatly exaggerated.

Also may I remember you that the phony anti-hydroxychloroquine Lancet study is now retracted:

Retraction—Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis

After publication of our Lancet Article,1 several concerns were raised with respect to the veracity of the data and analyses conducted by Surgisphere Corporation and its founder and our co-author, Sapan Desai, in our publication. We launched an independent third-party peer review of Surgisphere...

www.thelancet.com

This is the article that put an end to worldwide HCQ studies.

Oh, and what a coincidence (probably a conspiracy, says the blind), if you take the time to read the short article linked above, you'll see that the authors got personal fees from many, including Astra Zeneca and Pfizer.

What
a
coincidence
!

 

[Linux-SWAT]

And also:

- No, the HCQ hasn't be "invented" only to cure malaria.

- It has 1) antiviral properties, and 2) it also tempers the potentially deadly cytokin storm that some people trigger when infected by the covid.

- There's a public list of studies showing that it works pretty well, here it is https://c19study.com/

 

[rygD]

This thread needs to be in Absurdism Corner.

 

[ible]

if HCQ was a miracle cure, we wouldn't have a raging pandemic...

not even the government is that cold hearted. again, as i've said before, they want businesses to be open so they can get taxes. they wouldn't stop a treatment from getting out there. and even if one government could, not all would.

 

[JDTAY]

Knowing what I do about politics, I'm perfectly willing to believe that they would ban HCQ just because it was a successful line of attack against Trump.

They can still unban it though. They just have to find the right way to spin it.

 

[FBnil]

which the vaccines supposedly do

with around 8% efficacy (for people above 65), according to a German newspaper using A-Z's own data, which then was zealously "debunked" (to the point the page is not in Google nor DDG first page)

The article:

Handelsblatt

app.handelsblatt.com

The debunks:

The 8% solution | Stats Chat

www.statschat.org.nz

AstraZeneca trashes reports of only 8% COVID-19 vaccine efficacy in elderly

AstraZeneca said,” In November, we published data in The Lancet demonstrating that older adults showed strong immune responses to the AZD1222 vaccine."

www.republicworld.com

Remember that other farma (Merck) that stopped producing them because their efficacy yield was so low, they honestly stopped and went into prevention and mitigation instead.

Note that we do not need a 100% efficiency, as long as it is better* than having it naturally.
So it should: at least mitigate effects, or keep you better prepared than having it naturally.
We will only know in 2023, when the studies are finished.

we wouldn't have a raging pandemic...

Do ambulance noises keep you awake at night due to the continuous hospitalizations? No? Not a pandemic then (according to the old definition, which was changed recently)

 

[FBnil]

Knowing what I do about politics, I'm perfectly willing to believe that they would ban HCQ just because it was a successful line of attack against Trump.

They can still unban it though. They just have to find the right way to spin it.

I believe you. Unfortunately, after seeing the selling of Corona (the beer) drop... I'm inclined to believe more things that seem absurd at first.

 

[levi]

with around 8% efficacy (for people above 65), according to a German newspaper using A-Z's own data, which then was zealously "debunked" (to the point the page is not in Google nor DDG first page)

The 8% solution | Stats Chat

www.statschat.org.nz

AstraZeneca trashes reports of only 8% COVID-19 vaccine efficacy in elderly

AstraZeneca said,” In November, we published data in The Lancet demonstrating that older adults showed strong immune responses to the AZD1222 vaccine."

www.republicworld.com

Can you link to the german newspaper report? It wouldn't be the first time newspapers have completely misreported scientific studies, but all you've posted thus far is Astrazenica refuting those reports by pointing to their own studies.

 

[FBnil]

Can you link to the german newspaper report?

Of course; I've updated my original post with the article. (took a while to find it back)
The article has been updated, and does not contain the original text anymore. Interesting is the last sidenote:

(I've translated it from German, emphasis mine)

The text has been supplemented and updated with the latest developments.Comments from the Ministry of Health have been supplemented, as has the recommendation of the Standing Commission on Vaccination to not allow it for the elderly for the time being.The reason for the decision is an inadequate data situation: According to the draft decision of the Standing Commission on Vaccination – and thus more up-to-date data – there is "currently insufficient data" for the effectiveness in the group of persons aged 65 and over (here you can find the document as a PDF file).In addition, the original headline of the Handelsblatt article "Reset in Corona Vaccine: Astra-Zeneca Vaccine Appears to Have Little Effect on Seniors" has been changed.It was a mistake to focus so much on the number of effectiveness in seniors because, as the report of the Standing Commission on Vaccination shows, it is not statistically significant.

So they do not say the number is wrong, it's just not "statistically significant". And vaccination for 65 and above is not "recommended" by the current vaccination commission. In car analogy: The brakes work, just don't use them.


And now something different:

In true Golem (Lord of the rings) fashion. EU says "my our precious":

EU warns of blocking COVID-19 vaccine export amid 'surprising' shortfall by AstraZeneca

The European Union (EU) has threatened to block the export of COVID-19 vaccines to third-world countries outside the 27-nation-bloc amid AstraZeneca shortfalls.

www.republicworld.com

 

[levi]

According to wikipedia, they completely fubarred the numbers. 8% wasn't the effectiveness in over 65s, it was the percentage of participants in the trials that matched that figure. There's therefore no reason to assume it won't be as effective as it is for younger people, but the testing doesn't really show that. What does tend to show it is the decrease in older people arriving in hospitals with shortness of breath. Of course no vaccine gives you 100% immunity, but that doesn't make them useless.

 

[FBnil]

According to wikipedia, they completely fubarred the numbers.

Technically, yes, but actually, it was PompeyTheGreat that wrote it, so according to PompeyTheGreat. He seems righteous though.

 

[Swordfish II]

Also, why waiting for a vaccine when hydroxychloroquine is a powerful cure ? Why was it suddenly forbidden in France ?

Based on absolutely zero evidence. Let me guess, you also drink vinegar daily, and do "detoxes" don't you?

 

[FBnil]

Hey, Detoxing is a real thing.
You can drink certain types of clay that remove heavy elements.
You have "wakeup juice" that helps the liver break down the alcohol when you are drunk=intoxicated.
You can change your diet to actually NON acidic (alkaline) foods to cure a broad spectrum of things.
Ask the ones that detox from Novichok.

@Swordfish II You not only throw an ad-hominem into your reply, you also fail to answer the question you quoted. And "zero evidence" is not true, the page was given where results were posted, it was uh, here: https://c19study.com/
Now, you might not agree with that website and say it's all made up, and it's not peer reviewed and such. Those would be valid points to make, but don't say there is zero evidence. There's a lot of studies out there, with also the sideeffects and you just need to put your baseless opinion aside and look at that the MSM is NOT pushing natural immunization as a cure, NOT pushing vitamines and nutrients as a cure. And if you dig a little, it's all about profit in the end. And friends in high places helping eachother earn a quick buck.


As for the zero evidence:

I have zero evidence %{FORUMMEMBER} washes his/her hands after going to the toilet... zero. But that does not mean I can claim that it does or doesn't happen.

 

[FBnil]

And another life-saving vaccine is on the market with 85% effectiveness:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-approves-johnson-johnson-single-shot-covid-19-vaccine-1.5930974

 

[λ the β-Redex Reducer]

Detoxing is very real. It's easy too, I've cured a bunch of ailments through it and lost about 33% of my weight going from overweight to healthy weight. Detoxing is what happens when you first eat a junkfood diet and then switch to a healthy diet.

 

[FBnil]

Belgium gives all their citizens poisonous breathing caps (they contain silver, which is antibacterial):

MSN

www.msn.com

(article does not say HOW it is poisonous, maybe you get silverdust in the lungs?

 

[levi]

Detoxing is very real. It's easy too, I've cured a bunch of ailments through it and lost about 33% of my weight going from overweight to healthy weight. Detoxing is what happens when you first eat a junkfood diet and then switch to a healthy diet.

Well yes, it's primarily the action of the kidneys to remove heavy metals and other badness from our blood and duilte it with excess water and pass it out as urine. But unless there's a dramatic fault in the food chain, the problem with junk food is not that it contains toxins, more that they contain too much sugar and fat (and probably too much salt too). What you did was the improve your diet, which is probably the best known way to control your weight, and the action of toxins probably wasn't involved so you couldn't detox.

 

[JDTAY]

The great thing about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is that they say it's 100% effective against hospitalizations and death even in variants, even if it's only 66% effective in preventing COVID-19 infections overall. It's already been tested in South Africa and Brazil, doing magic there.

I actually kinda wish I could've held out for it. The Moderna I got might be not be so effective against variants.