JDTAY
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Israel decided to start making vaccinated people wear masks again after a bunch of vaccinated adults there got Delta. It's just a precautionary measure though, they're still investigating exactly what happened.
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Opinion | Are Covid Vaccines Riskier Than Advertised?
There are concerning trends on blood clots and low platelets, not that the authorities will tell you.
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Requires a subscription to read. I was able to pull this out of the end of the text by denying CSS, in case it helps
Opinion | Are Covid Vaccines Riskier Than Advertised?
There are concerning trends on blood clots and low platelets, not that the authorities will tell you.
JDTAY
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Guys, North Carolina's COVID-19 dashboard is freaking me out again. The County Alert System was updated, and shows Bladen County as red. It only goes up to June 19th though. In the past week, there's a county that's had as many cases as Bladen County, but with a third of the population, for three times the spread. It's called Clay County, and it's out all the way at the western tip of North Carolina. Why would Clay County worry me? My dad was in Murphy in Cherokee County yesterday for his paralegal job. Cherokee County literally is North Carolina's western tip, meaning he could've stopped in Clay County on the way there or back. I'm freaking out waiting for him to wake up this morning now so I can ask him if he stopped in Clay County at all.
Here, freak yourselves out too:
covid19.ncdhhs.gov
Here, freak yourselves out too:
North Carolina Respiratory Virus Summary Dashboard | NC COVID-19
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JDTAY
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I heard the Doctor orchestrated the Brexit to try to protect the world from the UK, but alas, she was too late. She should've known she couldn't change a fixed point in history.
levi
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What on earth is that X axis meant to be? Days? From when and until when? And the colour of the lines seem to switch between the graphs, which isn't ideal when they're presented side by side like this. But yes this past month or so our cases have been going up more or less exponentially. Which is explaned by the R number being well north of 1 in all parts of the UK:
The only thing I'd like to know right now is how does your vaccination status affect the likelihood of getting infected and passing it on (aka the R number for vaccinations), since I've had by second dose of vaccine this week.
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Report from Israel: About Half of Adults Infected With Covid-19 Delta Variant Were Fully Inoculated - Slashdot
Ran Balicer leads an expert Covid-19 advisory panel for the Israeli government. Friday he shared some troubling news with the Wall Street Journal: "The entrance of the Delta variant has changed the transmission dynamics," said Prof. Balicer, who is also the chief innovation officer for...
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Ivermectin To Be Studied As Possible COVID-19 Treatment In UK - Slashdot
University of Oxford scientists are trialing giving Ivermectin to people with Covid symptoms to see if it can keep them out of hospital. The BBC reports: The Principle study will compare those given the drug to patients receiving the usual NHS care. The drug has become controversial after being...
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JDTAY
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Darn, first Israel recommends vaccinated people mask back up because of Delta, now apparently the WHO is recommending it too.
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Edit: Here's the original source:
www.cnbc.com
WHO: COVID-19 Delta Variant Means The Vaccinated Should Still Wear Masks
Even fully-vaccinated people should continue to wear face masks, the World Health Organization has warned, in order to slow the spread of the COVID-19 Delta…
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Edit: Here's the original source:
WHO urges fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks as delta Covid variant spreads
"People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves," WHO official Dr. Mariangela Simao told reporters.
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JDTAY
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This article reminds me of a kid a few years ago who was cheered as a hero by the right for getting his MMR vaccine without his parents' consent.
www.nytimes.com
As Parents Forbid Covid Shots, Defiant Teenagers Seek Ways to Get Them (Published 2021)
Most medical consent laws require parental permission for minors to get a vaccine. Now some places are easing restrictions for Covid shots while others are proposing new ones.
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Pure propaganda.
Yes it's 30 back days smoothed to a 14 day moving average. Sorry about the lack of labels and inconsistent colors.
But it's quite clear that case numbers should be taken with a grain of salt or ignored. As previously discussed cases are a function of many things and as such are prone to error and manipulation.
Fake science.
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Test And Trace Has Lost Track Of Nearly 600 Million Covid Tests
Beleaguered service sent out mass tests but just 14% have been registered as used.
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Source: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/pdf
Abstract: Background: COVID-19 vaccines have had expedited reviews without sufficient safety data. We wanted to compare risks and benefits.
Method: We calculated the number needed to vaccinate (NNTV) from a large Israeli field study to prevent one death. We accessed the Adverse Drug Reactions (ADR) database of the European Medicines Agency and of the Dutch National Register (lareb.nl) to extract the number of cases reporting severe side effects and the number of cases with fatal side effects. Result: The NNTV is between 200–700 to prevent one case of COVID-19 for the mRNA vaccine marketed by Pfizer, while the NNTV to prevent one death is between 9000 and 50,000
(95% confidence interval), with 16,000 as a point estimate. The number of cases experiencing adverse reactions has been reported to be 700 per 100,000 vaccinations. Currently, we see 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations.
For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.
Conclusions: This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.
ICSR = individual case safety reports (cases with side-effects of vaccine)
Abstract: Background: COVID-19 vaccines have had expedited reviews without sufficient safety data. We wanted to compare risks and benefits.
Method: We calculated the number needed to vaccinate (NNTV) from a large Israeli field study to prevent one death. We accessed the Adverse Drug Reactions (ADR) database of the European Medicines Agency and of the Dutch National Register (lareb.nl) to extract the number of cases reporting severe side effects and the number of cases with fatal side effects. Result: The NNTV is between 200–700 to prevent one case of COVID-19 for the mRNA vaccine marketed by Pfizer, while the NNTV to prevent one death is between 9000 and 50,000
(95% confidence interval), with 16,000 as a point estimate. The number of cases experiencing adverse reactions has been reported to be 700 per 100,000 vaccinations. Currently, we see 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations.
For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.
Conclusions: This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.
ICSR = individual case safety reports (cases with side-effects of vaccine)
JDTAY
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So, let's say you are at the helm of a train, and on the track are 100 people with COVID-19, but on the other track, there are 200 people getting vaccinated for COVID-19. What do you do?
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First let me state it's the governments task to prevent covid related illnesses in their community and using a vaccine is an obvious choice.
This paper appears to have concluded they might want to check their approach, personally I don't have an opinion regarding this as I'm not an expert in this field and I'm just posting the findings of this paper.
Your remark also makes it sound like there would only be these two options; in that case you probably would try to save the most lives.
But that choice actually isn't obvious, is it 100 sick kids following the track to go to a hospital and 200 vaccinated people that volunteered to be on the track because they want to get hit by a train?
Who dies of covid: mostly older people
Who dies from a vaccine: also mostly older people, but also some young people
So I can imagine the choice is a tiny bit more nuanced than just sick / vaccinated.
Numbers of deaths from covid-19 related to age according to CDC:
Number of deaths reported in the Netherlands due to covid vaccine:
Source: https://www.lareb.nl/media/aluowkda/signals_2021_cases_fatal_outcomes_covid_vaccine.pdf
Honk and brake ? If you can change the rail intersection yourself you probably can stop, unboard the train, operate the rail crossing and get back up, so just don't start again while there's people on the rail.
But these are the Pyra forums, so we can't forget the obvious choice:
Derail
If you can't brake but can operate the diversion from the helm, then maybe operate it halfway and derail ? How many people are on the train ?
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Just ask the passengers about keyboard layouts.
They always study by age and gender, and I know that's relatively easy and makes sense, but I think there're more variables to take into account, like place of residence (dense city or country house), occupation, travel habits, etc.
I don't know enough to assess the study you posted either. My problem is that the deaths / severe side effects from vaccines can more or less be counted (hardly, depending on data quality, and at some point you get too small control group of unvaccinated people. In may first read of the study I don't see the comparison of the side efects with the unvaccinated group, might already be done in their sources).
But the deaths /severe effects of COVID-19 depend on what restrictions are imposed (and heeded) so as you lift restrictions the community transmission of COVID-19 should raise, and the cost/benefit of vaccination should be more in favor of vaccinating.
Another data we don't know is how long vaccine protection lasts, and how more dangerous or not are vaccines if they are taken every year. The AZ and Jansen vaccines seemed to be more dangerous at first dose, if they don't give you clots then they shouldn't give you in second doses. But the peri/miocarditis from mRNA vaccines seemed more frequent after second dose, so what about yearly reminders ? Vaccination is a risk on the day you vaccinate, but natural infection is a threat every single day, and then how likely is it to cause severe symptoms or death in what timeframe ?
Also there seems to be possible to have long term natural immunity when infected (without vaccine) but it won't be sure until more time passes.
Buf. Difficult.
JDTAY
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Hey guys, God has a sense of humor, and it's mostly schadenfreude. Turns out, avoiding COVID-19 for the past year and a half has now made us more susceptible to literally every other infectious disease in existence.
www.wsj.com
Post-Covid-19, World Risks Having to Pay Off ‘Immunity Debt’
Many people had little exposure to common viruses during social distancing, meaning bugs could spread more quickly once countries reopen.
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