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AireTamStorm
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Yeah, the notion is ridiculous. I use my PS3 for web browsing, chat and music / video just as much as I use it for gaming. I think the core functionality of the device will have a big effect on how often people will use it. When I unpacked my GP2X from its box it was a paperweight. Only after loading software to it, it proved useful. I hope that the Pandora will be useful even without loading external software to it. The included applications are as important as anything.second exodous said:
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CronoTriggerfan
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Anyone who's arguing against "fluff" because you don't like it is silly, IMO. There's nothing wrong, nay, it is better, that Pandora has a kickass, full-featured GUI out of the box. I just hope that it doesn't slow up the release at all.
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AireTamStorm
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whiskthecat
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Both gui and apps will happen in time. So whats the point in arguing. I say let the devs decide what they want to work on.
I don't think I posted in that thread, but I think that we'll have enough fullspeed emulators at launch (NES, SNES, PSX and other 8/16bit systems are fine) to keep us occupied until more optimizations come.
I think having a solid GUI and set of basic apps at launch is pretty important to a lot of people, even if it delays fullspeed emulation of some later systems for a month or two.
I think having a solid GUI and set of basic apps at launch is pretty important to a lot of people, even if it delays fullspeed emulation of some later systems for a month or two.
gruso
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Esn
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icurafu
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Well now we know.
But I'm still not 100% sure. Were we voting for which GUI was to be focused on and activated by default?
But I'm still not 100% sure. Were we voting for which GUI was to be focused on and activated by default?
_VWV_
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Squidge and icurafu thank you for clarification. Whatever devs will choose, I hope it'll be easy to port apps. An ideal situation from my point of view is if you need to get an app ported you have to compile it's source code with proper tools (gcc) and that's it. I know that in some cases it won't be that easy coz one will have to adopt an app to 
andora1: s a bit non-standard resolution. I mean I hope that requirements mentioned in the steaky will not be extended to "ports require source code AND a programmer to rewrite it".
By the way did I mentioned it earlier.. whatever gui, keyboard layout and programs will be available from launch I'll be buyingandora1: asap. That endless waiting is killing me, can't wait to get my hands on that sexy little piece of pure happiness.
andora1: s a bit non-standard resolution. I mean I hope that requirements mentioned in the steaky will not be extended to "ports require source code AND a programmer to rewrite it".By the way did I mentioned it earlier.. whatever gui, keyboard layout and programs will be available from launch I'll be buying
andora1: asap. That endless waiting is killing me, can't wait to get my hands on that sexy little piece of pure happiness. Squidge
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Hopefully, the "a bit non-standard resolution" shouldn't be a problem. It'll be optional, but by default, an app expected to run at 256x512 (or whatever) will just run at that resolution, and the OS will manage the user-specified preferred scaling.
jaycee900
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_VWV_
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Will scaling work with any app? Some apps created with 1024x768 in mind might cause problems. Though in this case I'll be happy to be proved wrong.Squidge said:
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WizardStan
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Also, an x server means ssh+X11 tunneling out of the box. At leaset, I hope it does. Maybe kdrive can't do that...
Anywho, in theory, if it doesn't run ON the Pandora, you may be able to get away with running it on a tower over network.
Anywho, in theory, if it doesn't run ON the Pandora, you may be able to get away with running it on a tower over network.
Squidge
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Any app written to work with the OS/GUI should work fine._VWV_ said:
Apps that write directly to the linux frame buffer interface (dev/fb*) or directly to an X-window will not be affected, and left alone.
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AireTamStorm
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icurafu said:Well now we know.
But I'm still not 100% sure. Were we voting for which GUI was to be focused on and activated by default?
Yeah, it really seemed like nobody was on the same page.
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I get the feeling Craig is a bit miffed about the poll result also, but I think this is the best way to go. Apart from anything, whatever the original intent of the poll, the question that was answered was not "do you want fluff?". The question that I think most GUI voters answered was "Do you feel pretty confident that emus and games will come, and want a solid useable framework for it all to be built on?".
What I think is very important is that the firmware is as much of a solid and flexible foundation for future Pandora development as possible. It very much needs to be specifically optimized for the unique kind of device the Pandora will be;
a computer:
-that has most of it's memory on removeable media
-that can drop in and out of wifi connectivity
-that has advanced power management and suspend states
-with completely unique controls
a game console:
-that supports multitasking
-that is also a UMPC (or insert acronym)
e.g. in an ideal world:
Hey, if nothing else, it looks like the change of direction will get us X out of the box. That's got to be a result. Sure it would have happened anyway pretty soon, but this means it will be ready and better at launch and people can start getting X apps onto it right away. Great news, great blog post.
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What I think is very important is that the firmware is as much of a solid and flexible foundation for future Pandora development as possible. It very much needs to be specifically optimized for the unique kind of device the Pandora will be;
a computer:
-that has most of it's memory on removeable media
-that can drop in and out of wifi connectivity
-that has advanced power management and suspend states
-with completely unique controls
a game console:
-that supports multitasking
-that is also a UMPC (or insert acronym)
e.g. in an ideal world:
- if I'm playing a game and an reminder that I set in my calendar app comes up, the firmware should provide an elegant way to handle that - pause my game, let me opt to reload kdrive...
- I should be able to set button, keyboard and lid shutting preferences in one place and not need to in every app or game.
- If an SD card accidentally gets popped out, the firmware should cope, or if I try to unmount one it should let me know potential consequences.
- Avoid as much as possible situations where "Developers can just handle that in software" - the volume and battery light on GP2X show that really mean "Some applications won't handle that in software"
- and etc... much more stuff than I can think of.
Hey, if nothing else, it looks like the change of direction will get us X out of the box. That's got to be a result. Sure it would have happened anyway pretty soon, but this means it will be ready and better at launch and people can start getting X apps onto it right away. Great news, great blog post.
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TaG
Fau-fau-faulty software.
Brilliant. Not only could we not decide what we were arguing about in the original thread, now we have another thread arguing about what we argued about.
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