A Clockwork Orange

[xboxit]

Did anyone watch this last night. That Film is Freaky, Funny and sick at the same time. But it was still good.

 

[johncross85]

I refused to watch it on general principal... Pretty much the whole point of Anthony Burgess' book was in the last chapter. When his publishers released the book in the US they weirdly decided to omit the last chapter. The film was based on the US version of the book so also did not include the last chapter and therefore missed the entire point. Burgess said he would not have anything to do with the US version of the book or the film because of this.

People have often accused the film of being a gratuitous display of sex and violence. Personally, without the inclusion of the last chapter, I am inclined to agree with them...

Plus McDowell was waaaaayyyy to old to play the part...

...and has a funny nose.

J(ohn)

 

[Thyphoid]

That Film is Freaky, Funny and sick at the same time. But it was still good.

Nice summary for this masterwork in movie history.

I refused to watch it on general principal... Pretty much the whole point of Anthony Burgess' book was in the last chapter. When his publishers released the book in the US they weirdly decided to omit the last chapter. The film was based on the US version of the book so also did not include the last chapter and therefore missed the entire point. Burgess said he would not have anything to do with the US version of the book or the film because of this.

Kubrik decided to end the film the way it is. I think mainly because of the outline of the film, arranged in three parts: the live, sublimation and resurrection of Alex.

 

[washo]

I ve seen this film a coupe of times and I must admit this is a great movie...
I dont know about the book, w/ or w/o the last chapter, but the movie as a 'stand-alone' is already a masterpiece.
I dont think it is really free violence & sex on-screen....if you really want that kind of pictures then just watch informations on TV and you will see a lot more...(that happened for real)
The OST is also wonderful - Beethoven rocks

see you :lol:

BTW: what do U think about 'Eyes wide shut'?

 

[xboxit]

Thats good but a bit freaky. I thought they were gonna devil worshipers or something.

 

[johncross85]

Kubrik decided to end the film the way it is. I think mainly because of the outline of the film, arranged in three parts: the live, sublimation and resurrection of Alex.

I don't doubt for a second that Kubrick knew what he was doing

I think that, more than anything, it would just piss me off having read the book first and *really* liking it, particularily the conclusion.

J(ohn)

 

[kknd_cf]

I'm currently on chapter three, I've seen the film before and my Dad recorded it wrong this time. Damn.

Anyway, I've got the penguin classic version, will that be the tampered US one?
Thanks.

 

[c0ncept]

@JohnCross:

can you sum up the last chapter for us, I'm a big fan of kubrick in general and I'd be interested in knowing what the film omited that was so important.

 

[BaDToaD]

Books are almost always better than films anyway. Your average film has so much plot and story cut it's a wonder they are worth watching at all.

I personally won't watch I Robot because the clips I have seen are nothing like the book. Once a book gets the holywood treatment it usually removes the very thing that makes the book great.

EDIT: I've just checked my ebook directory and the Clockwork Orange script is a 147k pdf whereas the novel is 300k of raw text.

 

[kknd_cf]

Books are almost always better than films anyway. Your average film has so much plot and story cut it's a wonder they are worth watching at all.

I personally won't watch I Robot because the clips I have seen are nothing like the book. Once a book gets the holywood treatment it usually removes the very thing that makes the book great.

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The fact that a book isn't trying to be cool and make money? There's something about a good novel that a film can never emulate properly.

 

[p j]

Books are almost always better than films anyway. Your average film has so much plot and story cut it's a wonder they are worth watching at all.

I personally won't watch I Robot because the clips I have seen are nothing like the book. Once a book gets the holywood treatment it usually removes the very thing that makes the book great.

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The fact that a book isn't trying to be cool and make money? There's something about a good novel that a film can never emulate properly.

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here here

 

[c0ncept]

Blade Runner. Theres an amazing film, based on a fairly decent story. TBH I think that people overrate Phillip K. Dick (also they often omit to mention what a mysogynist he was...)


Anyway, of course the script is smaller than the book. The script is almost soley dialogue whereas the novel will be far more descriptive.

 

[LHC]

The "books are better" brigade are probably wrong in this case, because Clockwork Orange was a shitty book.

 

[c0ncept]

rabid "books are better" people are almost as bad as rabid anti-abortionists...

 

[finty]

The "books are better" brigade are probably wrong in this case, because Clockwork Orange was a shitty book.

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Always looked like a shitty film to me too.

 

[c0ncept]

its not as good as kubricks other films but it does what it set out to do, make you feel uncomfortable.

 

[markusdragon]

The Book > The Film.

As John said, the final chapter of the book is infinitely important to the story. The actual basis of the book isn't that, no matter what you do, alex will always have criminal desires, it's that Alex will eventually grow out of his criminality, as will his son, and his son's son. It's part of human nature to have that rebellious stage, and theres nothing we can do to stop it.

Great book. Almost on par with nineteen eighty-four

 

[johncross85]

The Book > The Film.

As John said, the final chapter of the book is infinitely important to the story. The actual basis of the book isn't that, no matter what you do, alex will always have criminal desires, it's that Alex will eventually grow out of his criminality, as will his son, and his son's son. It's part of human nature to have that rebellious stage, and theres nothing we can do to stop it.

Great book. Almost on par with nineteen eighty-four

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Exactly

J(ohn)

 

[mattmagoo]

I thought hte film was utter shite

pretentious and boring

 

[kknd_cf]

The "books are better" brigade are probably wrong in this case, because Clockwork Orange was a shitty book.

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You know you said you didn't like it because of the Nadsat. Well if you actually give it a chance within three pages using deductive powers of thinking it's quite easy to understand and adds a great feel to the book. The dialougue I think may be have been made so that we can perhaps understand why Alex and his "droogs" find ultra-violence and rape so normal.