World News Thread (Politics,whatever)

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  1. levi

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    Yeah, it's useful to have the same thing looked at by two sides especially when the exact line of the truth is hard to find, but going to RT just strikes me as going too far out of whack.

    And yeah, maybe during the Gulf War the BBC went a bit hooray henry, but more recently (although hardly recent now) during the Afghani Invasion they had their man with the dodgy dossier and got denounced by the government of the country for it.
     
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  2. FBnil

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    I love the fact there are sensible people on this board where you can express your views, clash them passionately... and then, we come to a middleground and all is peaceful again. Can't do that on Fok or *chan boards.
     
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  3. Klumpen

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    Google, Twitter and Discord (desktop version still has the old set, Android the new one)
    replaced the gun emoji with a water pistol.

    Meanwhile in Unicode:
    U+1F946

    Edit: Apparently I can't post the unicode assault rifle here, huh.
     
  4. levi

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    Apparently, Apple did if first. My terminal font supports the rifle emoji, but not the pistol apparently (just appears as little numbers in a box). Firefox shows both as firearms, fwiw.

    Test: Falied

    Result: The board just eats unicode letters it seems.
     
  5. Klumpen

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  7. comradekingu

    comradekingu Glowing ember

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    To clear up some burgerland riddles for the fellow europ, and possibly learn something.

    The "unexplainable" rate of gun death in the US is actually blacks shooting other blacks, with handguns.
    A minority in both cases, which doesn't incriminate the individual in the greater sense,
    but does seem to exhibit some markedly different behaviours when it comes to helping government
    solve crime on the community level. Why this matters is because in the US, ghettos exist
    on the principle of race. This does however not mean race is a forced decider in the matter.
    The irony of which, means there are wealthy predominantly black neighbourhoods.
    The US also (still) collects crime statistics based on race, and these, along with Indians (the kind from
    india) doing exceptionally well, is a curious and inconvenient matter, that often boils to equally
    curious arguments of muh racism. When people aren't questioning the former, but wish or don't
    understand that things like the second is true.
    We conclude living in a gated community is a service people pay for in the US, "unexplainably",
    other than in-group preference.
    People hoarding guns bring up the ownership rate per capita, and taking these guns, legally
    owned as they are, isn't about to do a whole lot, other than break the constitution.
    There you will find the comparison to ownership per capita, which you can round off
    to one, or two in ownership or possession, since that is the effective number to attack or defend against anyone with.
    Arming other people seems not the order of the day, and the usual suspects in both legal and illegal form
    are already very much armed.

    The US is, and has been for a while, a place that has many areas adjacent to, or in areas that are
    third-world dangerous. The concept seems lost on Europeans that in other respects compare
    themselves to the American of choice. Given the opportunity to be such a person, Americans
    at large will flee dangerous areas, also known as lower income areas, not to be confused with in the sense of gun deaths,
    comparable to ones equally poor white trash areas. Running out of people to effectively blame,
    herein you have the stratification of society, and that society is America, increasingly so, at every level.
    There too, talking about it has its well defined limits.

    In semi-isolation, the interesting deciders in the matter of gun deaths is who can buy which guns, how they are stored,
    and who has the illegal ones. To me it seems a gun cabinet that unlocks quickly with some worn NFC device or key,
    like a watch, strikes a good balance of protection to urgency. Interestingly, the demographics of prior violence seem
    at ease with using knifes, like in UK London, which I believe has had its share of illegally owned guns go up after a ban,
    and gun bans don't actually mean the rate of even gun deaths go down, like down under.

    Contrary to the image orchestrated, it doesn't matter much if a child plays with a pistol or a rifle, because
    it is the playing with guns. Children aren't pulling off 500m shots with them, they generally shoot
    other family members at close range. The idea that power is better at getting through walls is true,
    but the image of the tactical rifle is used for no real reason. If accidentally shot, a bolt rifle
    will be reloaded by the same person or child which had the intention to, or somehow gained it.
    If of this inclination or predilection all along, with a plan or not, more effective guns make for worse
    results. A very real issue that seems to balance on effective (and well regulated) militias, Americans finding
    guns being fun to shoot and regulation generally not to their liking. Gun deaths and battles breaking
    into reality is actual news, broadcast beyond newsworthiness.

    The playing with total numbers is really a game of equating handgun deaths to that of higher power rifles, or sub-machineguns.
    In any event, semi-automatic weapons are not used in massacres of children, least not to my knowledge.
    Making a product that is for children, that can strangle them, should be illegal, and it is.
    It should also be banned for being unhealthy. Because profiting off making children weaker,
    and advertising to them, should be regulated. Then again society isn't paying for healthcare
    collectively, so this issue is of lesser importance.
    The point to make is one seems harmless, and isn't, the logic of which tries to question the one that seems to be,
    giving no rhyme or reason as to _why_ that is, because it is a false dichotomy.
    Also, muh children. Same as with the end-to-end encryption and how the Internet works,
    which reasonable adults seem to understand.
     
  8. levi

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    The fuck...?
     
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  9. Binky

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    Truly, I say, no politician could have written a passage that says so much, and means so little!
     
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  10. FBnil

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    So.. do you mean that unlike Australia, where the gun bans did lower the gun deaths.... or that the gun bans did NOT lower the gun deaths, as already seen in Australia?

    Yes, we do. Maybe not with money, but society is going to crap because of faulty mental health care. We pay with a rape here, a knife stab there... a higher monthly insurance over there...

    Aren't we all big children wanting a shiny new toy in this forum?
    I'll call Warren G...

    Also not sure why you did not talk about Kinder Surprise, a much more dangerous substance.


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  11. TrashyMG

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    Only if he starts spewing nonsense in the regular on-topic threads...
     
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  12. FBnil

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  14. comradekingu

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    I take it you also studied the numbers here and posess greater data than I do. It has always been a difficulty of mine to find the year 1996 significant when not cut out of what is generally a decline, on a downward trend, at no increased rate, https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-australias-gun-laws-reduced-gun-homicides/ comparable with other similar nations. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6187769/ If your statement is to be taken literally, it misrepresents my point. Gun deaths as a result of suicide are possibly replaced by hanging, but then again that is notwithstanding.
    https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2018.304640# The rest of this is relevant too.

    For stabbings I have only found http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/, and I haven't seen numbers for later years. The demographic of non-western immigrants, particularly from sudan has made international news, and already in 2014 warranted making this
    https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi477

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Number_of_2010-2013_perpetrators_per_1000,_per_ethnic_group_in_Norway_per_SSB.png for reference.
    Norway stopped doing statistics per race on assault rape, because those were racist. For this particular issue, public expenditure and public health seems not the issue. My earlier comment on healthcare references the American system, not the Australian one.

    I did. The comparison is one I am uncomfortable making, because it is a false dichotomy. The regulatory bodies of food and safety are not the same as those regulating firearms. On some level one should start with the worst problems, gun deaths as they relate to children is not one, that is clear bait.

    Please do bring some functional arguments to that effect.
    I can provide sources for all other claims too.

    Edit: Did you really call to have me banned? Can't wait to tell Wally
    that mods suck
    , again.
     
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  15. FBnil

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  16. levi

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    All I'm wondering, is if anyone's sent you any nude yet?
     
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  17. WizardStan

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    I've studied absolutely nothing and I possess greater data than you do.
    You started off with a flawed premise and then went literally everywhere but in the right direction with it. There are only two types of people that do this: those that are so convinced of their position that absolutely nothing that anyone can say will change their mind, and in fact even attempting to do so is seen as evidence that what they're saying is at least worth debating and therefore must be correct; and trolls.
    Neither of these are worth the time and effort to even attempt to thwart.
     
  18. vcoleiro1

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    As someone who has lived more or less half there life before the gun crack downs in Australia and half after the crack downs. I can say I'm totally happy they cracked down on guns here.
    I remember before 1996 Australia was pretty scary. I remember shootings happened very regularly, we even had a someone who shot and killed a police officer run through my school. Lots of people had guns
    Now days I don't know anyone with a gun , don't even know where you can buy them. Which is a big change, as before the buy back gun shops were everywhere - the one in my home town that is not there anymore, was regularly raided by crims.

    As for the NRA, I don't think anyone should believe anything they say. They love to misslead by omission. Telling people about the one gun buy back we had in Australia in 96
    Problem is, we had multiple buy backs, 2 federal ones and some state ones. The one in 96 was mostly aimed at semi autos to try and address MASS shootings. the other ones that happened later tried more at hand guns including the second federal buyback in 2003. Now did the NRA tell you that -> no. I bet the fact we had multiple buy back probably comes as a surprise to some. And yes, gun deaths did go down
     
  19. Eight Bit

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    I see what you did here :D
     
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  20. comradekingu

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    You curiously used both your time, and failed to provide an argument. Whereas I included "and possibly learn something." right off the bat, you don't present your thinking, nor your evidence. Those are empty claims.

    However anecdotal that is, and statistically unsound, a mandatory butback of guns isn't about to present criminals with fewer guns wrt. the general populace. Absolute guns are up, though owned by a slimmer percentage of the populace. Exact same thing as the US. The year 2003 is as nondescript a point in the graph as 1996 is. The argument that guns lead to shootings in that respect is not more compelling than knives leading to stabbings, or fists leading to fistfights.
    You have to accept extreme authority to even feasibly get anywhere close. Crime in a country wide aspect is also misleading. https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs...519.0~2017-18~Main Features~Youth Offenders~4

    As mentioned, not by NRA sources, and I don't understand why you would bring that up, gun deaths were on the same steady decline before, as it was after. You didn't read it. "Conclusions. The NFA had no statistically observable additional impact on suicide or assault mortality attributable to firearms in Australia." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6187796/ If you are arguing gun deaths in absolute numbers, as it relates to suicide, fair game, but that is a cold comparison that has no bearing on violence. It is the same argument as the nature of the gun, when the most deaths happen to involved weapons that can be concealed.

    https://www.researchgate.net/public...ide_Bringing_Epidemiologic_Research_to_Policy does not present it as a primarily mental health problem, nor have I ever found anything but weak(er) correlation for crime and violence. I would love to be proven wrong here. Reading some of https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/39992488_Jeffrey_W_Swanson
     

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