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if you had read my post in full, you would have noticed, that I am already addressing that a library is technically an institution.

and no I do not want to discuss indymedia with you, as your opinion is already clear to me but I will anyway because you would use it against me otherwise. watch the CCC talk if you are actually interested. it boils down to the government declaring a platform for journalism an illegal organization, where there was no organization in the first place. yes, there were people who used the platform to incite civil disobedience, borderlining calls to militant action/violence against institutions. that's like declaring facebook an illegal organization, because there are people on there threatening violence against someone. the people who authored those questionable "calls to action" should be the target of an investigation, but they took the shortcut of banning the platform, so they wouldn't have to deal with that. that is censorship.
 
matzesu said:
i wore my Helmet, even if it looked shit.
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I think it could be effective propaganda. Meanwhile, I do not use a helmet here in Holland. (only for wind resistance, or kids do, sometimes)

clort said:
It seemed to me you were excusing censorship in one post and sharing your joy at opposing censorship in another.
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Note the language barrier.
And, yes, I also got that feeling that censoring certain type of books is ok, but not the other.
I remember the controversy of "Raid over Moskow" and that "it was a good game", but "Raid over Washington" was controversial (indeed, I can not find it).

For me, Censor has always been:
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As for Censorship, look at the last vestiges of freedom; Europe has already been lost:
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clort said:
It reflects the adage "Men are what they do, women are what they are". I suppose this might be offensive to someone who is indoctrinated into the cult of equality.
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It's what Hollywood puts down our throats. But the roles are sometimes reversed. Steve Jobs is what is was, not what he did (that's the sidekick, Woz)
 
clort said:
May I point-out that many of these characteristics like being sensitive, sociable and obsessed with personal grooming are observed across many (most?) cultures, and thus may have a genetic component?

This question applies to how we consider disproportionate representation between males and females in various occupations. If we allow for the possibility for differing distributions of preferences and talents between the sexes, we can not conclude that every inequality in distribution of males vs. females in any field or job situation is a-priori proof of systemic sexism.

If we allow the truly mad notion to take-hold that all subgroups of any population must have equal proportional representation in all professional venues, then we must necessarily take people away from those areas where their interests and talents make them better-suited, and into fields where they are less-suited, all to match an idee fixe that it cannot be that there are varying distributions of interests and talents in any given selected subpopulation of humans as compared to the mean.
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That's true - but the problem isn't that people have those qualities. The problem is that they're expected to.
Systematically reversing those expectations ("Women should be rich and powerful!") is a clumsy and ineffective way of tackling that problem, and forms a problem in and of itself.

By all means, we should encourage men who want to be the bosses of engineering companies, and women who want to be schoolteachers. We already do encourage them, and those are both worthwhile things to be doing.

However, the further one's true nature stands from social Standards, the more determination is needed to pursue one's ambitions. Many people, especially when young, lack the confidence to reject the expectations of people around them, and to do their own thing.

I'm nowhere near understanding what makes people choose this life or that. (Genetics? Upbringing? Marketing? All of the above?) - but I know that some people are pressured into careers that don't suit them. My grandmother, anecdotally, ended up as a secretary and typist for a physics laboratory - because at the time, girls weren't 'meant to be' scientists.

If we're to maximise general happiness and utility, we need to stop telling people what to do, and start listening to what they want to do, and from a very early age.
 
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the distribution of IQ in women is more centered around the mean, with less genius outliers.
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That's a pretty bold claim. Got any evidence for that?

In light of this it should be clear that it is unproductive to insist that there must be an equal number of female scientists per capita, just as it would be to insist that no female may pursue a career in science.
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Jim Al-Kalili's The Life Scientific podcast has interviewed exactly the same number of female scientists as it has male ones over the course of its release. Now, that's a hand picked interview show, and I don't doubt his team has had to look wider to find worthy female scientists than it has had to to find male ones, but it does show they are out there.

Edit: Found it: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289606001115
 
I thought I wrote a quite polite response to you. If I had been offended you'd know about it, I'm pretty sure.

If you were using the paper I linked as source, be aware that's a twenty year old paper, using the old IQ test as its basis. Research since then seems to come down on either side or none, depending on exactly what you test.

clort said:
NO RUSSIA COLLUSION.
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Not for lack of trying, I heard ;) Also, they jury's out on whether Trump obstructed justice, but I don't expect much other than hot air will come out of that either, myself.
 
I've been watching the politics game for about 20 years now and seen a lot of plays and this right here, what you just posted, screams of distraction, an attempt to discredit and waste collective mental resources so that people either aren't paying attention to something else, or they're too burned out to care when that something else comes up.
I don't play that game, and if you're really on "this side" then you won't either: look for something that actually matters, don't try to stir up controversy for controversy sake.
 
They don't want your feedback. They don't want to work with you either, you're not a trusted source (to them).They got peeps already.

You are not bringing a solution, only adding doubt. And just so you know, from a technical point of view, sure I support your doubt.
But at what level is it played? Example with 2 fists and one coin:

I think you are going to chose the right hand, so I put the coin in my left hand. Level 1 deception.
I think you know that I am thinking that you think that it is in my right hand and would put it in my left hand, thus I put it in my right hand. Level 2 deception.
etc.

And if it is Level 2, then as you were inferring, to HIDE their tracks, these Russians Hackers modified the creation and access time of the files... so it was the Russians all along.
Now, from your text we can safely conclude that Venezuela is to blame, and we need to bring it swift justice. So do your patriotic duty and sign up for the army. ;)

In the end, they found something, and it's leverage for something else, which is negotiated behind closed doors. @WizardStan said it already. This is how the game gets played when you are above the law. Moves and countermoves.

Want to learn more? http://www.hpmor.com/ (you will have to read the book to see how to play the game)
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WizardStan said:
screams of distraction
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Golan heights?
 
@clort However, Ray is just re-posting the conclusions from 2017, that's almost 2 years later than the forensic analysis. The analysis mentions Linux.
For files there is: ctime, atime and mtime (create access modify). atime on FAT is in days, not in minutes. And atime is all that should be updated when you copy/read a sourcefile.
Now listen to mr Miyagi.

In the era of deep fakes, we just don't know anymore. At this moment in time, we can morph audio and video to such a degree that it is almost indistinguishable from a non-fake video.
[doublepost=1553744022,1553742437][/doublepost]@ClockworkCoder Don't take the bet! the paper. The reddit. And that paper is only for a very small demographics (UK only) thus does not address nature v/s nurture (even if n>10000). Lots more and easily found with DuckDuckGo but they all fall back on that same paper (checked 2 other links that seems serious).
 
clort said:
Due to the political ramifications, you will have some difficulty in finding it with a search engine.

Let's make a bet. If there exist scientific studies showing men have a wider standard deviation in IQ than women, you give me $650 (price of a Pyra). If none exist, I pay you $650. One of the forum mods can adjudicate.

Willing to take the bet?
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Er, I already found it and posted a link to it on the previous page. I can find contrary studies if you like; they're all linked from wikipedia, no search engine required: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_d...ence#Current_research_on_general_intelligence
 
@clort I like you, man; rattling the cage and all. Boards are an interesting read, lots of opinions, lots to learn.
 
You can find a scientific study that concludes that eating chocolate is good for weight loss.
This scientific study, that has been peer reviewed and published in a scientific journal has been made for the purpose of showing that you can easily turn bad science into headlines.
So yes, you will find studies showing whatever you want. You'll also find studies showing the opposite.

That's why you don't want to build your society on science alone. You build it on a common vision, a common "story" that everyone agrees to believe in, even if it's wrong, because it help them live together and be better off than they'd be on their own. And I kinda like the story that men and women are equal. Many women seem to suffer much less with that kind of story.
 
ElPoco said:
That's why you don't want to build your society on science alone. You build it on a common vision, a common "story" that everyone agrees to believe in, even if it's wrong, because it help them live together and be better off than they'd be on their own. And I kinda like the story that men and women are equal. Many women seem to suffer much less with that kind of story.
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That does sound like it comes with the premise "The end justifies the means", which is a way of thinking that can lead to terrible results.

Although generalizations make life easier short-term, I think the only way to effectively evaluate talent and interest is on an individual basis and neither by generalizations like "Men and Women are equal" nor "M/W have this or that talent/interest".
Unfortunately individual assessment takes a lot more effort and nobody seems to want to invest into that although it would lead to vastly more efficiency as a result.
 
Sure individual assessment is, in the end, what you need. Even if men are typically physically stronger than women, you can't just assume that any man will be stronger than any woman.
But individual assessment cannot get rid of bias. Bias in the assessment itself and society bias that will shape subjects so that they'll perform according to what society expects of them and not what they're inherently capable of.
If you have a society where everyone is convinced that left-handed people can't play basketball, you'll have very few left-handed people who'll ever try playing basketball. So even if you individually assess the basket-ball playing ability of everyone you'll find very few good left-handed players.
 
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