Rage On The Iphone

[MrPoletski]

http://kotaku.com/5611523/id-unleashes-rage-on-the-iphone

OK GUYS, regardless of anything, if you have not sent a pandora to John Carmack yet, WHY NOT? and send one NOW!

(oh and send me mine too pls)

 

[torpor]

I second that! Carmack should have a Pandora! Please send it to him immediately!

 

[Vorporeal]

Yeah, that would be a good investment. It wouldn't be a difficult platform to bring it to, and the Pandora has the perfect controls.

 

[Mr B]

Since they intend to make money on the product, i doubt they want to release it on a platform where there are no working copy protection, but i might be wrong... Doubt it tho.
B!

 

[r00tw00t]

Also source codes for Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory @ ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/ ...

Portable?

 

[(naw)mcx]

They won't port it to Android, so they sure as hell won't port it here!

 

[NLS]

Also source codes for Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory @ ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/ ...

Portable?

That's fucken great!

 

[Letalis Sonus]

Since they intend to make money on the product, i doubt they want to release it on a platform where there are no working copy protection, but i might be wrong... Doubt it tho.
B!

I don't see the lack of copy protection as a problem. Look at x86 Linux ports like Doom 3, there's nothing but a need for a CD-Key. Actually, every commercial game ported to Linux that I've seen so far has no copy protection at all and might only require a Key.

 

[Mr B]

Funny you should mention Linux games, and games that doesn't really on hardware based copy protection... You do know the CD key is a hardware based protection, yes? Since the Pandora is somewhat limited in it's CD/DVD capabilities, and SD memories aren't really designed to be uniquely identifiable, hardware based protection isn't going to be around on the Panda, and commercial gaming on the Linux platform seams kinda limited... It hasn't really taken of, has it? Now, i admit, my knowledge of commercial Linux games are limited, but, how many of these games still require the disc to play? Yes, you might get away with a burnt copy, without a cracked executable, just as there are a few games for the Windows, and OSX platforms that let you do that. But they are few, and far apart, pretty much ass the whole Linux commercial gaming scene. For someone to spend a bundle of cash bringing there software to a new, niche market, they have to see a way to make revenue. This simply isn't going to happen on the Panda. We'll be lucky if there are a few "Indie" development houses that do put some serious effort in. Most what we will get will be enthusiasts hacking away on there own, or in groups. And that, may very well be for the best. The most enjoyable games usually come from people who genuinely enjoy what they do.

B!

 

[lulzfish]

Funny you should mention Linux games, and games that doesn't really on hardware based copy protection... You do know the CD key is a hardware based protection, yes?

Not the last I remember.
As I recall, older games from the CD key days just used some kind of crypto algorithm to tell if your key was valid, and the programs would accept any key, regardless of what key your copy of the game actually shipped with.

That's why keygens worked on them.

Or did work. Now there's all kinds of weird crap like Steam.

 

[conso]

First: Doom3 etc. required you to purchase the windows-version for the cd-key and data-files and grap the linux-executable from their server. Nothing would stop them from doing the same on pandora.
Second: SD-cards are uniquely identifiable
Third: Some people at id are really interested in quirky geek stuff like the pandora, so sending them some units might really make a difference.
OK, commercial linux gaming really hasn't taken of, yet. I give you that. Wonder if the upcoming port of steam will change that, but have doubt.

 

[Mr B]

Funny you should mention Linux games, and games that doesn't really on hardware based copy protection... You do know the CD key is a hardware based protection, yes?

Not the last I remember.
As I recall, older games from the CD key days just used some kind of crypto algorithm to tell if your key was valid, and the programs would accept any key, regardless of what key your copy of the game actually shipped with.

That's why keygens worked on them.

Or did work. Now there's all kinds of weird crap like Steam.

Uh, funny. If any key worked, you didn't need a keygen.
Keygens generate a key that match a hash. The hash is on the disc. Any key that matches the hash, works. Until a patch with a blacklist is added, but at that point you patch the blacklist, or ignore it altogether with a cracked exe.
CD, and DVD's, are media that you can, during manufacture, add artifacts to, so that they are unique. This makes them identifiable in a way simply not possible for SD memories. And on this is the entire copy protection based. (Not that it worked out that well for the manufacturers, with the right tools most copy protections can be reproduced for CD's, so called CD clones. It's however a long step away from no protection at all.)

Second: SD-cards are uniquely identifiable

As far as i know... No. Thats why you cant even be sure that the memory you buy actually have the listed capacity when your buying them. You have to buy a SD card, and hope the seller is a honest seller, and that he, or she, isn't being taken advantage of, by someone who aint. Thats why it's often recommended that people don't buy flash memory from none reputable resellers.

B!

 

[Caine]

Do you seriously think he will port such a game to a platform of which only so few units are around? You've gotta be joking.

OPT will have to ship many more batches before such software houses will even take the platform seriously.

 

[torpor]

He just may do something cool with it for fun, coz he is a geek too .. you never know. Either way, it can't hurt - after all .. Pandora is to iPhone like Armadillo is to NASA!

 

[WizardStan]

Uh, funny. If any key worked, you didn't need a keygen.
Keygens generate a key that match a hash. The hash is on the disc. Any key that matches the hash, works. Until a patch with a blacklist is added, but at that point you patch the blacklist, or ignore it altogether with a cracked exe.

Can you name one that does that? Because every game I've played that used a key really could accept any key. What you describe is exactly why keygens were created. At first, when people traded CDs, they'd pass around the CD key as well. Then companies started blacklisting certain keys, as you say. Enter the keygen which created a new and different key every time. Can't blacklist them all.
Windows 2000! I'm still using the same CD key I got 10 years ago to do installs even though that CD has long since been destroyed. Same with WinXP, now that I think of it.

edit: by "does that" I mean ones that creates a unique CD key for that specific CD, one that wouldn't work for any other CD of that exact same game and version.

 

[Caine]

Windows 2000! I'm still using the same CD key I got 10 years ago to do installs even though that CD has long since been destroyed.

The scary part is that I still know my windows 98 key by heart. Had to install that bloody OS so many times.

 

[TrashyMG]

Windows 2000! I'm still using the same CD key I got 10 years ago to do installs even though that CD has long since been destroyed.

The scary part is that I still know my windows 98 key by heart. Had to install that bloody OS so many times.

I still remember my Half-life key by heart.

 

[Zor Prime]

id did port Doom to the Jaguar. So ...

However, there wasn't a lot of worry about bootleg copies running around either.

 

[(naw)mcx]

Windows 2000! I'm still using the same CD key I got 10 years ago to do installs even though that CD has long since been destroyed.

The scary part is that I still know my windows 98 key by heart. Had to install that bloody OS so many times.

I still remember my Half-life key by heart.

Not sure if this still works.

But download steam, put key in, ????, profits.

 

[MonkeyChops]

the way our autocad detailing software worked was the program it's self produced a number unique to itsself and then created a unique number for your computer based on your ram, os version, harddrive, and processor, then combined the 2 numbers to create the key required to run. If we changed anything about our computer that number would change and we'd have to get a new key. I believe this is still the way they do their protection. Is something like that easily cracked and if not is it possible for the pandora? I know we all have the same hardware in our pandas, but is there something unique about each of our pandoras that could produce a unique number?