Put Us Out Of Our Misery!

[mali]

There were 7 rev3 cases. Skeezix, DaveC, zodttd got one and posted here about it. Slaanesh should get one according to Craig, put didn't post, yet. So possibly 3 left we don't know anything about, yet.

Squidge, cpasjuste and DJWillis, as far as I remember.

Thanks for the info, ED

 

[MonkeyChops]

thats intriguing. Did something specific happen between you and OP or is it just the wait that's made you feel that way?

 

[craigix]

Adventus has one too and so does Pickle.

 

[rmm2131]

...and the negativity cloud dissipates. Maybe we can get back to talking about video games and the beautiful women who don't play them. O'tay.

 

[MonkeyChops]

http://www.pwnordie.com/2009/02/25/22-hottest-celebrity-women-that-play-video-games/
*warning! ^^^ contains pics of hot women (not naked tho)*

I think porn stars have too much time on their hands

 

[Phawx]

Jeez! I left this thread at page 4 to come to this? I wasn't planning on returning to this forum until after Feb 22nd.

@Monk

(look at your page 4 reply) After carefully weighing my enthusiasm, my cynical nature thawing from the excitement, I have to say I agree with you. Best to wait *until* Texas has more than 1,000 cases before ordering new PCBs to be created.

Sometimes I get a little too excited and kind of forget all of the other delays that have hampered this project.

 

[hobbyman II]

@rmm21

post 204 : you are on fire!

@monkeychops

post 202 : you are supposed to remove all the bullets but one 1st

post 205 : are you sure you mean hands?

 

[MonkeyChops]

post 205 : are you sure you mean hands?

Yes but "time" was a typo

 

[Kyo]

Am I the only one who finds it funny that Craig is more than happy to respond to a random troll than to me? I mean, I never expected or asked him to respond to me, but he's taking the time to denounce some random guy who just showed up to troll. What is up with that?

Hey Craig, if you feel the need to defend yourself (and again, I do think you have every right to just not say anything), why against him?

 

[MonkeyChops]

yea, so half naked porn stars playing video games is cool. We should hire one for an official Pandora Ad.

 

[rmm2131]

Am I the only one who finds it funny that Craig is more than happy to respond to a random troll than to me? I mean, I never expected or asked him to respond to me, but he's taking the time to denounce some random guy who just showed up to troll. What is up with that?

Hey Craig, if you feel the need to defend yourself (and again, I do think you have every right to just not say anything), why against him?

It could be that Craig agrees with some of your reasons for leaving and he remembers when you were more pro-Openpandora. Might be also how you carry yourself with rational explanations in tow rather than outright pot stirring.

 

[Kyo]

Yeah well, I still think the Pandora is a pretty nifty machine, I'm not trying to deny that. It's like this thread makes me look like I totally hate everything which is really not the case of course.

 

[rmm2131]

http://www.pwnordie.com/2009/02/25/22-hottest-celebrity-women-that-play-video-games/
*warning! ^^^ contains pics of hot women (not naked tho)*

I think porn stars have too much time on their hands

Forgot what my name was after browsing that list. Who am I again?

@rmm21

post 204 : you are on fire!

Phew, thanks!

Yeah well, I still think the Pandora is a pretty nifty machine, I'm not trying to deny that. It's like this thread makes me look like I totally hate everything which is really not the case of course.

I don't think even one person here thinks you hate everything, especially the Pandora. You were here the first preorder day and your still here. The future is hardly set in stone my friend. Lets just keep watching updates to see how everything turns out.

 

[mali]

It's like this thread makes me look like I totally hate everything [...]

Nope.

 

[dyslexic]

The OP team did get the money from prepaying people (i recon they needed a lone from the bank this customers lone is sneaky).
That people pay for the materials needed and that all the development was don is just a plain lie.
Most surprising to me is that it is not a down-payment of about 50% but he full whooping 100%.

Yeah, sure. We have millions of USD lying around from the preorderers on our account.
How could the project have worked out with just 50% of the money when even with the full 100% we are way beyond a break-even?
We did pay way more than just a few dollars from our own accounts. We're happy to regain our loss with the second batch.


cixelsyd

Ok maybe i need to work on softening my tone a bit.
But a 100% down-payment is unheard off.
I used 50% more like a example it could be 60% 70% but a 100% is unique.
When the Pandora is out i will be happy to help you regain some losses in the second batch by buying one.
Well only if i will have some spare money to do so (have to save some first).

Well i am happy i am a sceptic i never put my money in.

Thank god not all from the community were like you.
If they were, the whole project would've never been started. If we wouldn't have gotten enough interest and preorders back then, we wouldn't have continued the whole project.

I can fully understand why people would NOT take the risk to pay us in advance for the device. But the funny thing is that most of those only tell us we did do bad and make it sound like it is the most easy thing to take on such a project without having millions of USD handy.

cixelsyd

Well i enjoy buying stuff i can use.
If i have 300+ euro/dollars to spent i like to use it and not wait for a long time (you can say i am disappointed that it takes so long and may not have the money when it comes out).
I think you are lucky having enough people who have 300+ euro/dollars spare money they are willing to put into this project.
Around the time the banking thing happened i got really interested.
Because the Pandora would come out around January February 2009.
Well that did not happen because of the bank thing and later other reasons.
Well because the bank work against you i got cold feed and did not order.
This is what i meant with happy i am sceptical and i never put my money in.I enjoy now having a eeepc for the time.
But i am still interested when it comes out as long it will not take months more.

I distrusted it when the so called bank fiasco happened.
For me it was prove to be a scam ore just a sign that these people did not have a sound business plan.
Well we know now it was the second.

Oh, I see. You're a business plan expert and would've done all what we did here way better?
Cool. Why didn't you offer your services back then instead of telling us we did do bad?

cixelsyd

I did not say i am a business plan expert.
But when you can not convince the bank with a sound business plan well i got cold feet at that time.
I am well impressed how you all solved this but up to more than one year delay?
How has it been possible to ever give the statement Pandora will arrive January 2009 later Juli 2009?
Well it was Craig saying that (now i imagine him wearing pink glasses making a guesstimate).
OK i get it with the Chinese.

EvilDragon

According to the business plan:
We did have a plan, and that did work out well. It just took way longer than we planned, because of a lot of things happened we didn't see coming (often also due to not having big knowledge about such big projects).
Our plan was to produce an OpenSource handheld with participation of the community.
People were (and are) helping us for free to fullfill this plan. We never were experts in what we were doing and we never claimed we are.
Yes, there were too many delays which should't have happened. There were a lot of things we could've done better. But you know what? It's easy to tell afterwards.
If you have no idea how long such a development takes, it's hard to estimate something. Even with asking the companies that produce that stuff: They usually tell you it won't take long and then another month is over.
If we ever produce a second handheld, it would be way easier since we now A LOT more about case moulding, designing, etc. and can surely plan everything out way better.

There is one interesting thing though:
Because we're just a bunch of amateurs behind such a huge project, with is being funded by a community and no bank or investor, we stirred up a lot of interest.
The next issue of the Handelsblatt in Germany (the biggest financial magazine in Germany out there, read by all the managers from big companies) will have an article about the Pandora - as this is the first time they've seen such a big project with that interesting funding and idea behind it.

It's unusual in our business world today that people will preorder and wait for so long. That no investors or banks are involved. That a bunch of people creates such a device without having much knowledge about it except for knowing they will try to solve every problem on their way there is. That the community can actually TALK to the developers behind it, follow every step.

If it was just a normal device made with the help of Investors, that magazine wouldn't have cared about.
They do because it happened the way it did.

Let me tell you once more:
I'm not happy with all those delays (nobody is). It did cost me more money than I expected (I have to pay about 500 EUR each month to get everything running, so each month without delivery is a 500 EUR loss for me).
Yes, we could've made a lot of things better if we would've had more experience.

Yes, I can understand why a lot of people would not preorder and wait for the device. They might really need the money and couldn't possibly risk to help out with such a risky project.

However, I CANNOT understand why people try to tell us we shouldn't have taken the preorder money or only part of it, etc.
If we wouldn't have done it this way, the Pandora would never exist.

If you are unhappy with the project, don't give us your money and that's it. If you believe in the project and want to support us, pay us so we can produce that thing and follow what is happening.

It's as easy as that.

cixelsyd

Wow this bit is a honest and great explanation.
One note though.It would have been a good idea to make clear that there is a risk.
Many people here did believe that it was ready to roll of the assembly line one year ago (including me).
I would have ordered one if the bank stuff did not go wrong (would have been second batch anyway first was sold out).
I enjoy now a eeepc for the time being.
If people would have known that that was not a sure thing they may not have put up with a 100% payment on preorder.

Cheers EvilDragon for you reply.

I really hope OP does pull it off.
I probably get negative remarks on this.

 

[MonkeyChops]

this thread makes me look like I totally hate everything which is really not the case of course.

Yea I don't think that either, but I do think this tread has spiraled out of control and I wouldn't mind seeing it talk about something a little more upbeat since it's hopelessly off topic... like naked porn stars for example

 

[Username]

This whole thread is piss. Massive piss.

 

[TrashyMG]

This thread need to be put out of it's misery.

• Single bullet would do fine.

 

[Phawx]

@trashyMG

I see what you did there.

 

[dyslexic]

You could also switch to Firefox or Google Chrome, which has built on spell checking features.

It's funny that your surprised by being slammed by "fan-boys & Pandora Hugger", yet you come to a forum populated by said people and expect them to agree with your inflammatory comments.

I think that should be "built-in spell checking" but my tie-pin and grammer is terrible anyway.

It's equally odd that someone is surprised that "trolling" is not appreciated - even only a little bit. Did I miss something? Are there forums that laud trolling?

I did not say i was surprised.

I sad this (I did tease them by being a little troll but that was not appreciated so i left it after a short time (was fun though).
I was just fooling around a little.
Never mind people are so sensitive here (I am on my writing i try to improve but am crab at it people seem to misunderstand me a lot it is difficult to explain things in a foreign language).

Monk i do sometimes wonder how you do it write compact to the point with a great sense of humor.