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[TrashyMG]

I've seen 70mm IMAX as a child too and it was awesome.

Smallest iMAX screen ever.

 

[elwing]

still bigger than super8...

 

[WizardStan]

That would not happen

I don't know how you can be so confident in something that hasn't had any empirical analysis. Like I said, my suggestion was mostly hyperbole, it's not necessarily the case here that people can't actually tell the difference, but anecdotes about how people "feel" is still not evidence.

On something like 20 inches you should definitely see the difference between Full HD and 4k

That's not what I said, though. I wouldn't expect someone to not be able to tell the difference between an HD and a 4K image when comparing them in the same context, but I've got no evidence to back that up. I said the test would present a 4K desktop and call it HD, and present HD graphics (ie, some game or movie or something, or even just a busy but static image) and call it 4K and then ask the person to rate the experience, and if they said the "4K" graphics were better and the "HD" desktop was not good enough I reserve the right to laugh at them for their misplaced faith. We would actually need four groups, one where you have 4K desktop and HD graphics and tell the truth about which is which, one where you lie about which is which, one where you have HD desktop and a 4K graphics and tell the truth, and another where you lie about it as well. And I wouldn't actually laugh at anyone, that was just some emphasis.From that we'd be able to figure out whether people actually prefer 4K over HD or if they just expect 4K to be significantly better. Don't get me wrong, 4K is strictly better than HD from a visual perspective, more pixel density has to be better (with caveats that there are ways 4K would be inferior, notably increased storage and transmission costs, energy, possibly even immersion, etc... but when talking pure visuals more is better than less) but is it better enough that people can legitimately enjoy a 4K experience more than an HD experience?

 

[ekianjo]

but is it better enough that people can legitimately enjoy a 4K experience more than an HD experience?

Well if only for aliasing in 3D games 4K should look significantly better in that aspect.

As for experience enjoyment; I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean a same game running at Full HD or 4K should be enjoyed in a different way or not ?

I'd rather put the question from the opposite point of view. Even if the enjoyment is the same, why would you not want to have higher resolution rather than a lower one ? (Provided your hardware can deliver it). There's no drawback, only potential advantages.

 

[DrHAX]

The consoles by default are. Its the fact that the hardware is all the same that makes them last for years. The pPandora has the same advantage. Look we got Minecraft running on it! I like pc gaming personally my 40gb fallout 3 folder proved why.

 

[WizardStan]

Do you mean a same game running at Full HD or 4K should be enjoyed in a different way or not ?

No, you were talking about the desktop experience. I'm suggesting a possible scenario where someone is using an HD desktop but told it's 4K, and someone else is using a 4K desktop but told it's HD (making sure to change icons, fonts, and such to account for the different pixel densities) and then you simply ask them to rate the experience. Scale from 1 to 10. Do this many times, different setups, get a bunch of data with some nice averages and see where the plot lies. Do people consistently rate 4K high whether they are told it is 4K or HD? Or do they rate "4K" better even when it's actually an HD screen? Not a direct comparison, asking someone which is better, screen A or screen B, just an aggregate set of numbers from different groups to give a general picture of opinion.

why would you not want to have higher resolution rather than a lower one ?

I never said otherwise. You're the one who said people complain about having to use HD screens. I'm just trying to come up with hypothetical experiments to figure out if that's because 4K screens are perceptively better or if there's a stigma of "this is supposed to be better so I will say it is better" the way there is in audio quality.Now there is definitely a difference, and there will be people who actually work with 4K screens that genuinely need that extra resolution who will definitely notice that it isn't there when they try to work with it, the same as those that work with audio recordings (often) need the higher resolution of 24bit when doing their work, and if we were to run this experiment we'd definitely see some marks which always rank the 4K high and the HD low, but whether these ranks are outliers or part of a trend would be interesting knowledge.

I remember reading a study about a year back which asked the same question regarding 30, 60, and 120 FPS and was pleased to find that there was a huge jump in "appreciation" from 30 to 60 FPS, but the 120 FPS was all over the place with some people saying it was good, others saying it was bad, some saying it was bad even when they knew it was supposed to be better, and that's a fascinating result. I want to know the same thing with 4K displays, specifically as it relates to the desktop experience, like you say.

 

[rygD]

Even if the enjoyment is the same, why would you not want to have higher resolution rather than a lower one ?

Don't get me wrong, 4K is strictly better than HD from a visual perspective, more pixel density has to be better (with caveats that there are ways 4K would be inferior, notably increased storage and transmission costs, energy, possibly even immersion, etc... but when talking pure visuals more is better than less) but is it better enough that people can legitimately enjoy a 4K experience more than an HD experience?

There are many people who will be happier with what they have already, and can afford.  If they have to go out and buy a new monitor or TV and a bunch of other stuff to fully benefit from 4K they may find that the cost and effort to get everything is not worth it.
I personally don't care either way at present.  Cost is a concern for me, so until I need something new and the cost for hardware is the same I will probably not choose 4k.  I would rather have more numbers in my bank account than in the specs for my displays.