PS4/Xbox One are already out of date

[Hồng Thất Công]

So PS4 and Xbox One are outdated?

Luckily I own a Wii U .

Lucky I own a Pandora

 

[Klumpen]

I still enjoy movies on DVD... the extra resolution for film doesn't do much for me apart from disgust me seeing zits on actors noses...

But for games 1080p is fine. We are experiencing deminishing returns and I kinda feel "meh" about this push for increased resolutions...

Reminds me of an article about the connection between sales and resolution of video content.

Porn sells pretty bad in 1080p and you already gave the reason...

Producers have to blur the image or edit every picture with heavy photoshopping to hide all the disgusting details.

 

[Hồng Thất Công]

I enjoy resolution of The Tube on Pandora.  Perfect resolution for me there.

 

[Ian J]

I have some TV shows ripped from videos that I converted to AVI many years ago and the quality is pretty poor but as soon as I get into the show I forget all about the resolution.

I notice poor audio much quicker than poor video.

 

[TrashyMG]

Yeah I have some really old shows I recorded off cable with the original ATI all in wonder card (ATI Rage) at 320x200 resolution, then converted to DIVX encoded AVI files.. they look pretty horrific now.

 

[WizardStan]

I have some TV shows ripped from videos that I converted to AVI many years ago and the quality is pretty poor but as soon as I get into the show I forget all about the resolution.

I notice poor audio much quicker than poor video.

Didn't you hear? Unless those videos are 4K they're out of date, you aren't allowed to enjoy them anymore.

 

[DaMummy]

fucking peasants.

 

[ekianjo]

No clue why this resolution-fetish is still so present. ~1080p is fine as long as you have propper Anti Aliasing, sharp textures and good graphics. No matter if Console or PC.

Because the bigger the screen, the most obvious the larger resolution makes a difference?  

 

[ekianjo]

I have some TV shows ripped from videos that I converted to AVI many years ago and the quality is pretty poor but as soon as I get into the show I forget all about the resolution.

Yeah but at the same time if you were comparing High Res video vs low res video side by side you would be pretty horrified by what you just wrote

Resolution IS very obvious - but it's true you tend to see less of an issue in motion than in fixed pictures.  

 

[ekianjo]

But for games 1080p is fine. We are experiencing deminishing returns and I kinda feel "meh" about this push for increased resolutions...

LOL, I was hearing the same thing when SuperVGA came out back in ye olde PC days. "we don't need 640*480". Same thing with RAM, "64kb is far enough". Same thing with hard drives "who needs 250 Mb hard drive anyway?" 

There's no diminishing returns when it comes to visuals, because we are still SO FAR away from realistic graphics in all areas (and many games are trying to achieve just that). And pushing for better resolutions is a good thing per se, because this forces GPU makers to produce chips with higher bandwidth and this will benefit you even if you stay in Full HD resolution only. 

If you want to stay in the past, play on consoles. But let's not pretend innovations/improvements are useless, this is really old. 

 

[Mr_Loon]

Surely a gaming system only becomes out of date when there are no longer any good games being released for it.

One of the many reasons I'm a PC gamer rather than a console gamer at heart.

 

[PokeParadox]

But for games 1080p is fine. We are experiencing deminishing returns and I kinda feel "meh" about this push for increased resolutions...

LOL, I was hearing the same thing when SuperVGA came out back in ye olde PC days. "we don't need 640*480". Same thing with RAM, "64kb is far enough". Same thing with hard drives "who needs 250 Mb hard drive anyway?" 

There's no diminishing returns when it comes to visuals, because we are still SO FAR away from realistic graphics in all areas (and many games are trying to achieve just that). And pushing for better resolutions is a good thing per se, because this forces GPU makers to produce chips with higher bandwidth and this will benefit you even if you stay in Full HD resolution only. 

If you want to stay in the past, play on consoles. But let's not pretend innovations/improvements are useless, this is really old. 

Way to put words in my mouth.


Yes it makes a difference if you get to screen sizes which are stupidly big... seriously I've seen people with TVs way bigger than looks comfortable for their front room. There are diminishing returns and the jump from VHS to DVD was instantly noticeable. The jump from DVD > HD-DVD/BluRay was only noticeable and to some people it makes a difference, to others they can see a difference but don't care. Other people like HD in an "emperor's new clothes" fashion and can't actually tell the difference... The jump to HD content to 4K... it really is increasing the resolution for resolutions sake and unless you have a massive front room, large enough to have a cinema-sized screen, then you will not see any benefit and again any benefit in film content is merely seeing superficial crap like how many blackheads a certain actor has.


Yes there are people that will insist that we need 4k.. but I will state again that the only thing resolution does for me is provide me with more desktop real-estate. As for playing games, I couldn't care less what the resolution is as long as it looks good on the screen I have.


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PS I've had a PC since I was six and I've gone through iterations of improvements of GFX tech... and I've noticed those improvements. Being able to fit more sprites on a screen, not getting headaches when moving to LCD from CRT monitors. And I'm stating that I'm giving less of a shit about increases of resolutions.

 

[ekianjo]

Other people like HD in an "emperor's new clothes" fashion and can't actually tell the difference... The jump to HD content to 4K... it really is increasing the resolution for resolutions sake and unless you have a massive front room, large enough to have a cinema-sized screen, then you will not see any benefit and again any benefit in film content is merely seeing superficial crap like how many blackheads a certain actor has.

I play on a projector and for me 4K is going to bring a huge difference when it comes to gaming, provided we have the GPUs needed. For TVs the difference won't be as noticeable, but anything bigger than 40 inches will still show some net difference between 4k and 1080p. And large TV screens are getting cheaper and cheaper anyway year after year.

Ask people who are using 4k everyday how they feel when they have to use a Full HD desktop. They hate it, and not just for the workspace itself. When you get used to higher quality graphics (including resolution) you will doubtlessly notice the difference over time. 

 

[Asmo]

Surely a gaming system only becomes out of date when there are no longer any good games being released for it.

Or when there is a newer iteration of console. Even then it could depend on uptake. SACD didn't kill CD, DVDs are still sold in large numbers!

When there is a games system comfortably, smoothly running games in 4k, this generation will be 'out of date'. See you in several years. PC Master Race not included.

I'm all for HD. The HD-er the better. I like my movies in HD, but so long as it's a good clean transfer I'm not too bothered.

Games - If you could see 60hz Playstation Ridge Racer running via RGB on a 'vintage' CRT projector. Never gets old.

 

[WizardStan]

Ask people who are using 4k everyday how they feel when they have to use a Full HD desktop.

Only if I can present to them 1080p graphics and call them 4K and a 4K desktop which I refer to as 1080p and laugh when they agree that the "4K graphics" are so much better than the "1080p desktop".That's a bit of hyperbole, I'm not saying that it would necessarily be the case but such experiments have been done in other mediums (including graphics) where people will complain about what they think they are supposed to be perceiving instead of what it actually is, enough so that I'm flat out not going to believe anecdotal suggestions. If you really can tell a difference it can stand up to a little bit of scientific scrutiny and then you don't need anecdotes, you have solid evidence.

 

[fusion_power]

No clue why this resolution-fetish is still so present. ~1080p is fine as long as you have propper Anti Aliasing, sharp textures and good graphics. No matter if Console or PC.

 Because the bigger the screen, the most obvious the larger resolution makes a difference?

Depends how close you sit in front of your Screen. Usualy, as bigger the Screen, as more far away you watch it. And to be honest, my eyes are so bad, even with glasses I couldn't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k. Call it natural "soft-filter" like in the old N64 days.

 

[Ian J]

I have some TV shows ripped from videos that I converted to AVI many years ago and the quality is pretty poor but as soon as I get into the show I forget all about the resolution.

Yeah but at the same time if you were comparing High Res video vs low res video side by side you would be pretty horrified by what you just wrote

Resolution IS very obvious - but it's true you tend to see less of an issue in motion than in fixed pictures.  

I'm not talking about the motion smoothing out the resolution I mean I get engrossed in the show and don't sit going "wow I can see every eyebrow hair"

Don't get me wrong I'm not interested in watching the latest movie in 200 lines but I can happily watch them in SD quality and lose myself in the story.

 

[benoitb]

I also play on a projector, and 4K (and more) will be a good thing for that. Especially when looking at still pictures you clearly see that we have to increase the resolution drasticaly.


If you are not convinced we need more resolution, go see some analog 70mm IMAX. No digital projector gives that level of detail yet. I have seen such a projection at Futuroscope in France when I was a child, 20 years later, I have yet to see anything like it.

 

[ekianjo]

Don't get me wrong I'm not interested in watching the latest movie in 200 lines but I can happily watch them in SD quality and lose myself in the story.

Yup, I know what you mean. A movie can be watched in low quality and still be enjoyable. That's what we were doing during the VHS years anyway  

Only if I can present to them 1080p graphics and call them 4K and a 4K desktop which I refer to as 1080p and laugh when they agree that the "4K graphics" are so much better than the "1080p desktop".

That would not happen, unless you monitor is on a tiny surface with ridiculously high DPI. On something like 20 inches you should definitely see the difference between Full HD and 4k. It's not like 16bits/24 bits audio.  

 

[Klumpen]

I also play on a projector, and 4K (and more) will be a good thing for that. Especially when looking at still pictures you clearly see that we have to increase the resolution drasticaly.


If you are not convinced we need more resolution, go see some analog 70mm IMAX. No digital projector gives that level of detail yet. I have seen such a projection at Futuroscope in France when I was a child, 20 years later, I have yet to see anything like it.

I aggree, my projector only has 720p (but is really bright) and it could be more for a picture that is 2m wide.

I've seen 70mm IMAX as a child too and it was awesome.

On average sized TV screens though, DVD is enough and BD on big ones more than enough.