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Nihilistic Mystic
I need to keep this in mind for when I finally get mine in my hands. By then others will have probably messed around with underclocking and such to figure out what is usable, so I will probably play around.
root@letux:~#
This was done with these OPP:
&cpu0 {
operating-points = <
/* kHz uV */
250000 800000
500000 850000
750000 950000
1000000 1050000
// 1250000 1150000
// 1500000 1250000
// 1700000 1250000
>;
};
I know it will be a some time before these ship, but I had a few thoughts wrapped around shipping expenses. Also, I had been considering purchasing a production unit at some point so that the prototype unit could experience less daily wear.Also, the prototype preorders will get them but will also get an updated CPU board later.
And I will also sell some more of these prototypes in case someone wants to get a unit earlier (also for a higher price, but also with a free upgrade to the fixed CPU board later).
I second that. Better to benefit the project. I can wait for my Pyra.Maybe do these 'extra' prototypes through an auction format to maximize that price? In theory, the risk is considerably lower now than it was for the initial prototype purchasers. Following that theory, these additional few prototype units should bring in -more- per unit than the original prototype pre-orders did.
FreeBSD would be awesome. It's the reason why I miss the rotator-chip.I hope FreeBSD may be able to run on the Pyra someday (probably in the distant future). But I'd be happy to run Linux on it for gaming, development and some productivity until that time.
I'm still stuck on a flipphone, the pyra would be a killer replacement for me!@EvilDragon, @hns If you're making a new revision of the board, can you please consider exposing the 4 MIPI CSI lines on board to board a connector?
I'm definitely planning to use the Pyra as a phone, and I'd love to be able to take great pictures and edit them right away.
I understand the problem with space, but I think people would love to have the posibility to add a great camera later on. Maybe you can allocate another side connector just containing the camera lines, or have them replace some GPIO.
Then just concede and approve a free license.We should not waste time with another fruitless pro/con license battle.
Are we Pyra preorders not funding the creation of it? This seems excessively insulting to those of us who are paying for the Pyra. One of the Pyra's selling points was that it would be open hardware, and now it sounds like you're backing out of it.It is the basic right of the authors to freely choose a license. It is neither the licensees nor the general public having different ideas or wishes who does the choice. Go out and become creative, publish your own work and documents, and choose the license you believe it is the right one for your own work!
I don't see anything to suggest that it isn't open hardware. You can take these documents, recreate everything entirely on your own, modify it if you want or not, and sell it if you so choose. What more do you need?One of the Pyra's selling points was that it would be open hardware
Then just concede and approve a free license.
Are we Pyra preorders not funding the creation of it? This seems excessively insulting to those of us who are paying for the Pyra. One of the Pyra's selling points was that it would be open hardware, and now it sounds like you're backing out of it.
You shouldn't try to badger good people into doing things your way like this. For shame.Then just concede and approve a free license.
Is that so? I know, a lot of people were always hoping that, but has there ever been an official statement that the Pyra would meet the requirements of being considered OSH?One of the Pyra's selling points was that it would be open hardware,
The ND clause in the license for the design files clearly makes it unfit to be considered OSH as defined by the OSHWA [1], which I would consider to be the most reputable reference for an OSH definition.I don't see anything to suggest that it isn't open hardware.
No, you can't modify and redistribute the design.You can take these documents, recreate everything entirely on your own, modify it if you want or not, and sell it if you so choose.
If everyone comes up with his own definition of things then defining them in the first place makes no sense.The hardware is open, so is the documentation. E.g. you get the schematics (for free) and can use knowledge gathered from it to modify the pyra or create your own stuff(that is how I define open HW)
I'm not sure Luke is doing that. Somehow he gained the expectation that the Pyra would be OSH. If it turns out not to be, I think it's understandable, that he's disappointed. That disappointment is all I'm seeing in his post so far.You shouldn't try to badger good people into doing things your way like this. For shame.
Maybe not intentionally, but the options he leaves open are continuing the debate ad nauseam or conceding to his demands. I count that as badgering. The team has already given their statement regarding the issue for now, so continuing the debate would be pointless. Unless, of course, they have explicitly expressed the intention to make everything OSH according to OSHWA's definition, as you said.Is that so? I know, a lot of people were always hoping that, but has there ever been an official statement that the Pyra would meet the requirements of being considered OSH?
I'm not sure Luke is doing that. Somehow he gained the expectation that the Pyra would be OSH. If it turns out not to be, I think it's understandable, that he's disappointed. That disappointment is all I'm seeing in his post so far.
No, you can't modify and redistribute the design.
Fair point.Maybe not intentionally, but the options he leaves open are continuing the debate ad nauseam or conceding to his demands. I count that as badgering.
I don't like this relative approach of comparing things to worse things, for the sake of pointing out how good the former is. A thing can be much better than all the alternatives, and still have flaws.Most things we buy are closed, and nobody complains.
Here we have an open device made with good spirit and here come the whiners.
Yay! I finally mixed up NC and ND here.Yes you can. But you have te give credit to the original authors and point out your modifications - thats BY. You have to use the same license for redistribution - thats SA. And you can't take money for the documents - that's NC.
Maybe you know Luke better than I do, but based on what I've seen so far, I wouldn't dare to judge his attitude.I'm comparing attitudes.