Pedophilia

[raven]

Studies have shown major differences in the shape of the brain between homosexual and heterosexual males. The studies were not conclusive because most of the homosexual males had died of AIDS so the difference could have, theoretically, been caused by the disease (heterosexual males that died of AIDS did not show these differences though).

The brains of transsexuals (male to female) have also been studied and their brains were more similar to female than to male brains.

Man with high levels of testosterone are more likely to resolve to crime than man with lower testosterone levels.

People we admire because they are willing to accept challenges and take huge risks often have been exposed to Toxoplasmoses; it seriously changes our abillity to calculate risks.

We don't know what causes pedophilia yet but I wouldn't be surprised if we find a part of the brain that is responsible for this. That doesn't mean you can't hold people responsible for their actions, but the idea that pedophiles are not responsible for the way they feel is not that strange IMO.

 

[johncross85]

Studies have shown major differences in the shape of the brain between homosexual and heterosexual males. The studies were not conclusive because most of the homosexual males had died of AIDS so the difference could have, theoretically, been caused by the disease (heterosexual males that died of AIDS did not show these differences though).

The brains of transsexuals (male to female) have also been studied and their brains were more similar to female than to male brains.

Man with high levels of testosterone are more likely to resolve to crime than man with lower testosterone levels.

People we admire because they are willing to accept challenges and take huge risks often have been exposed to Toxoplasmoses; it seriously changes our abillity to calculate risks.

We don't know what causes pedophilia yet but I wouldn't be surprised if we find a part of the brain that is responsible for this. That doesn't mean you can't hold people responsible for their actions, but the idea that pedophiles are not responsible for the way they feel is not that strange IMO.

All very good points! There have also been studies that have shown homosexuality in various species of animals...

The thing is that if in 1950 you tried to get funding for research into the causes etc of homosexuality you would have been ridiculed/called a pervert. This is the state that we are now in with paedophilia. The way that the media reports paedophilia and the general attitude to it from the public means that it is very hard to have a serious discussion about it, let along do any serious research.

You could well be right that paedophilia is not a result of genetic predisposition, but some serious research could well reveal that it is a result of certain events and stimuli early in life. With that kind of information potential paedophiles may well be identified and treated BEFORE they are compelled to act upon their urges.

As I said earlier, it's good to see a group of people having a serious discussion on such a taboo subject. The sooner that more people are open to this kind of debate, the sooner that it will be that we can do something useful about the issue.

J(ohn)

 

[Dozer]

I swear our dogs are gay. Humpin eachothers heads like there's no tomorrow all the bloody time.

 

[finty]

I swear our dogs are gay. Humpin eachothers heads like there's no tomorrow all the bloody time.

Too fuckin true, and theres this one dog in my estate that follows my dog around licking its balls.

 

[Rico]

Thank you raven for that insight, because until then I had nothing to back up my claims. It makes me worry, sometimes, that everything we have achieved is due to our genetic makeup and upbringing, so we had no choice in the matter, and shouldn't be praised for it ... however free will vs. determinism is best left for another thread.

Thank you Mark for beating me to the point that, for example, if a boy is raised in a family with ten sisters and gets dressed in women's clothing for a joke, he may grow up to be gay and have no choice in the matter.

Kop_007, forget the crime stuff ... I think fundamentally you don't think that this sort of thing can not be a choice, that somehow pedophiles must decide to be evil and molest children. With a mindset inherited from God, according to your faith. Why exactly would God create people with a tendency to molest children, would you say?

 

[generalnmx]

OK, I'll jump in now.

I could love a 12-year old girl. Not be physically attracted to her, but love her. So, does that make me a pedophile? I know a lot of girls older, slightly younger, and much younger then me. A few of the girls much younger (criminally younger) then me are a LOT more mature then some of the older ones. I don't really have fantasies about any women (or men, no I'm not gay) so that doesn't really apply.

Now, let's go further. Suppose this 12-year old girl wanted to have sex with me, because that's what the media pushes as a complement to love. That begs the question - what is love? What is sex? What is sex, in relation to love? What is love, in relation to sex? Is sex mearly a means of procreation and/or "recreation between consenting adults"? Or is it more?

To me, love and sex are two very different things. I can love (and when I mean love, I mean a romantic love) someone without ever having sex with them. I can have sex with someone without ever loving them. Of course, I, personally, wouldn't consider having sex with a 12-year old girl...but I think this does raise some interesting questions.

Is love truly ageless? If sex is an extension of love, and love is ageless, does that mean sex is ageless?

 

[PinkSpider]

OK, I'll jump in now.

I could love a 12-year old girl. Not be physically attracted to her, but love her. So, does that make me a pedophile? I know a lot of girls older, slightly younger, and much younger then me. A few of the girls much younger (criminally younger) then me are a LOT more mature then some of the older ones. I don't really have fantasies about any women (or men, no I'm not gay) so that doesn't really apply.

Now, let's go further. Suppose this 12-year old girl wanted to have sex with me, because that's what the media pushes as a complement to love. That begs the question - what is love? What is sex? What is sex, in relation to love? What is love, in relation to sex? Is sex mearly a means of procreation and/or "recreation between consenting adults"? Or is it more?

To me, love and sex are two very different things. I can love (and when I mean love, I mean a romantic love) someone without ever having sex with them. I can have sex with someone without ever loving them. Of course, I, personally, wouldn't consider having sex with a 12-year old girl...but I think this does raise some interesting questions.

Is love truly ageless? If sex is an extension of love, and love is ageless, does that mean sex is ageless?

How old are you though. Personally I wouldnt go out with anyone under the age of 17, infact ive only ever been out with people atleast a year older than me :/

 

[Rico]

Your point is good but well covered. If a 12 year old loves a 40 year old you are effectively asking if it's okay for them to have sex.

Most people would say no.

A few would say yes.

I would say 'well, is it love? Is there genuine attraction and caring unclouded by mental or physical dominance by the 40 y/o or naivete by the 12 y/o? If so, I don't see why not'

As creepy as the image might be for YOU for the two people in the relationship it is what they WANT. The law should not prevent this. Putting a line (16) on it is foolish, as mental 'readiness' for sex is an infinite series of grays, not black and white.

That's completely ignoring the physical issue (can it damage the cervix, etc.) because you could replace 'sex' with any sexual act or even just being in a relationship.

 

[PinkSpider]

I would never have sex with anyone <1/2 years younger than me. Of course as I get older this will change.

I dont think I would go with someone <17 years old now tho :/ Not even if they where really fit.

 

[LHC]

I'm told half your age and add 7 is the "rule".

But that would mean I couldn't go below 15 and a half

I'd tap a 14 year old at my lowest probably, although I never have and probably never would.

 

[finty]

If I half my age and add 7 I get my age h34r: . Then again, if theres no grass on the field don't play on it.

 

[Rico]

That means 80 year olds have a min of 47. Harsh!

 

[bringoutthegimp]

I dont think I would go with someone <17 years old now tho :/ Not even if they where really fit.

how old are you? im 16 and i would happily bone a good looking 14 year old. although this has been debated a lot with my mates

 

[thebluenewt]

Half your age and add 7?

Pfft, no way. 17-year-olds are never off-limits!

 

[LHC]

Just for the record I know it's stupid.

 

[PinkSpider]

I dont think I would go with someone <17 years old now tho :/ Not even if they where really fit.

how old are you? im 16 and i would happily bone a good looking 14 year old. although this has been debated a lot with my mates

Im 18. Generally attracted to older girls, Kat was 19 (almost 20) and Sarah is 20.

 

[Enslaved]

I think its hillarious how parents hate pedophiles yet they still watch their little diaper commercials. I wonder how many pedophiles have hours upon hours of pull-ups commercials and just jack it all day to them. Probably hundreds. Its ironic that a company made to help children is exploiting them as if they were in some kind of free porn.

 

[Rico]

As serious as that could actually be, I found it hilarious. I do often think that the 'bum shots' in diaper/nappy commercials are gratuitous. So it's not just me...

And yeah, this thread has collapsed somewhat. I blame the events in other threads :/

 

[thebluenewt]

I always thought those adverts were dubious too, besides they're very unpleasant to watch. Babies are ugly enough clothed...

 

[Mark]

As serious as that could actually be, I found it hilarious. I do often think that the 'bum shots' in diaper/nappy commercials are gratuitous. So it's not just me...

And yeah, this thread has collapsed somewhat. I blame the events in other threads :/

Kids sitting on the toliet with a talking Frog complaining about the smell of his feces is not what I want to see when eating.

The way that frog's animated makes me think he's French.

What you say about the thread collapsing?