Pandora Wiki Cleanup in progress

[Wally]

Hi guys,

A few of us are cleaning up the Pandora Wiki a bit, i've gone through and trashed a bazillion redirects so All pages - Pandora Wiki looks a lot nicer.


Still a lot to do and you could help!!

I need someone to go through and check links in wiki / other language pages (If these pages are not fixed I will earmark for deletion as they are way out of date (Specifically anything other than english) ) and post the issues here.


It'd also be greatful if no new pages are created during the cleanup process (Unless a developer) as it'll be come more of a mess. 

Edit:
Some feedback would be appreciated on the current page listings. I have created a google spreadsheet for anyone to have a look at and provide some info.

Would love people to note either; merge with (insert name), Delete, Outdated so that it is easier for us to access information in the future.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amazlh5wIxpndENpbk5IbjBNM2lLWDZETWZpYV9tSUE#gid=0 <-- link

Cheers

 

[sswam]

sounds good Wally, I could edit some of the dev pages and correct some outdated info

 

[Wally]

Hi guys,

Just an update. We've sorta gotten through most redirects on the Wiki that were causing some issues with the sorting process, we've now got a nice clean page (thanks to several users including DREDD and comradekingu for input)


Apologies to Notaz and Porg who have had pages go missing but have been restored quickly. Notaz's link went missing because we had about 10 redirects to the Wifi page and it got caught up in amongst them. 


EDIT: Stickied temporarily until the wiki is clean. For those who want another reason.. its because I can. Deal with it.

 

[Linux-SWAT]

The Slackware page has been totally fucked up.

Is it possible to restore it's state + older Slackware-13.37 + Slackware advanced to the 15 August 2013‎ please ?

I was trying to fix, but it's too messed up for me, i think a total restore of these articles would be better.

BTW meanwhile, i'm trying to fix the best i can.

---Edit:

Too broken, i'm removing it entirely until this is fixed.

---Edit 2: Soleil is not broken, removing it from the fix list.

 

[Linux-SWAT]

Cleaned up the main page, still have a lot to do to get back all to normal :/ .

Too much pages had been purely and simply deleted. I don't know how to fix that.

Please restore:

http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects/OS/Slackware/Advanced_usage     and all it's subdirectories.

http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects/OS/Slackware/Build-system

http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects/OS/Slackware-13.37

Basically, all Slackware things deleted from there:

http://pandorawiki.org/Special:Log/delete

There is also some old pages here and there with 13.37 explanations, but i can't find them back, as the main ones were deleted.

 

[fritata]

Why were all the slackware pages deleted?

 

[Linux-SWAT]

I don't know.

An admin tried to regroup things that were separated on purpose, and deleted valid and updated pages.

Wally, the http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects/OS/Slackware-13.37 restoration didn't used the 15 August 2013‎ page, but the temp page i wrote today to explain things are currently broken.

 

[Wally]

Comrade is doing some work on the slackware pages / merging all to one. 
 

 

[Linux-SWAT]

This won't be.

 

[Wally]

Just relax. The pages will return soon. The Wiki needs proper structure and we're working on that.

 

[Linux-SWAT]

I'm pissed off mainly because it cuts the users from having documentation.

 

[Linux-SWAT]

Besides this, the structure of my pages is OK, i separated things on purpose, and also i keep the state of previous Slackware versions pages, e.g. 13.37.

I still don't know how to undelete pages :/.

 

[comradekingu]

http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects/OS/Slackware#Advanced_usage

http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects/OS/Slackware#Build_system

http://pandorawiki.org/index.php?title=Software_projects/OS/Slackware&oldid=27386#Website

I wasnt sure about if kernel-13-37 or slackware-13.37 as it was called belonged with the rest  it was added last.

Is it ok now?

I do appreciate your hard work, but unfortunately the rest of the wiki wasnt using the same paradigm  of /directory/based/seperation, navigation and single pages for everything. Of all the 35 pages, the bulk of them were useful only together with the rest and didn't have many page-views alone.

 

[Linux-SWAT]

R-e-s-t-o-r-e  m-y  p-a-g-e-s

 

[comradekingu]

Its not your pages that is the problem, its the amount and relevance of them. All the content is now on the slackware site, nothing is lost, separated in #sections. Sorted by pageview. You can link to them that way, and they can be edited in sections.

The slackware compability list has a section of its own because thats what the other categories have.

 

[dreamer]

R-e-s-t-o-r-e  m-y  p-a-g-e-s

It's ok to use separate pages, if it makes sense to do so.
No point on burying every piece of info on just another unfindable page.

 

[Wally]

This way people can print a PDF of the slackware content on one page instead of a million pages

 

[comradekingu]

Well it was hard to make sense of it all, on one hand its the pandora wiki, which is where slackware for pandora fits in, but all the documentation that was handholding was, albeit semi relevant to all the distros (since slackware doesnt do hackyscripts) not something that could be seperate. It wasnt that it didnt deserve it, it was that other things lost relevance in comparison.

If its all added to different pages again, nobody is going to see it, because it will be the old nested menus system that didnt work, i suppose you could link to it from the main slackware page.

You can undo deletions at the specialpages: deletion log.

 

[Linux-SWAT]

I will not discuss the way i wrote my pages.

Ok, if you're not gonna clean your mess, i'll do it.

Where is the specialpages: deletion log please ?

 

[comradekingu]

If the most relevant stuff is on the front of that main slackware page in sequential order then it will be better for all. It ties in nicely with whats the most relevant too, because slackware being the most popular is inherently first.

If for example apache is documented on the pandora wiki then thats something to do with really only slackware, thats the relevance. If someone else can use the config then they can link to the #section and the users will know that its slackware based config. No need for the /software-projects/OS/ etc

In principle that separation is wonderful, but its added complexity for no reward. Its a system for a future pandora wiki, but its very manual and hard to maintain. If everything is kept as simple as possible then its also easy to use and grasp.

The metawiki concept is much better in terms of syndicating info and assuring that no redundant or deprecated info is left to rot.

Edit: http://pandorawiki.org/Special:Log/delete  this is the deletion log. Also, you could meet me half way and be nice, i will more than anything implement a good system if you bring some arguments as to why said system is better. Its very easy to undo changes if need be. No harm intended, worst case it can be undone and it will be back to the non-working system. Lets instead sort out the problems.

I will point out the problems that need to be fixed, as of before anything was done, they were:

1. About 30 pages of 35 had very few pageviews, and were also of semi-relevant importance to Pandora in general.

While they add value to the Slackware section, they deafen everything else, and its needlessly complex.

2. Software_projects/OS/Slackware/* is not a good aggregation system,

its static, hard to maintain, and its needlessly complex. And its not the same as the rest of the wiki.

With the new system all is well, info is where info naturally follows, no nested menus, no hidden anything. I see that a sequential order of pages by pageview is not ideal, but it was a system that was KISS and in tune with the rest of the wiki. There was work in need of doing to said system, but the rest of the wiki was made managable. Slackware-pages no longer drowned out everything else, and it placed things where they naturally belonged and deserved to be.