See but you are building your own truths and your own reality so how can you construct what someone else is doing as a lie and then call them ugly about it?
Ha I am like your complete polar opposite, I am very good at seeing through peoples lies but that is purely because I am practically completely unemotional. When you don't have emotions you can see through bullshit attached to things. However unless it is hurting me or someone else I really don't care why people lie, to me it seems like unnecessary effort.
However if what they are doing makes them happy they can lie until the cows come home. The only reason I tell people to lift and exercise is because that is the quickest and easiest way for people to feel better about themselves. We live in a superficial world and exercises improve people outgoing looks and it also pumps natural endorphin's into your brain.
Oh well aren't we all just expressing our own perspectives here?
I don't actually go around calling people ugly. I don't even question their take on reality. I am polite and helpful but I keep to myself as much as possible.
It is only when directly confronted or the subject comes up that I will express my take on things.
The reasons I have the perspectives I do are based on extensive study / introspection and observation. I haven't even begun to share some of the deeper reasons or evidence here, because if what I've shared so far on these forums seems strange or controversial, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Of course to put it simply, my determination of ugly or beautiful is entirely relative to my value system. It goes without saying that every individual has a personalized value system, even though it is possible to share values with others.
I've already stated that I don't regard myself as a bona fide human and that I probably represent a very small fraction of incarnate beings in this reality.
Obviously I would be delighted if more humans shared my values but clearly the very structure of human existence is based upon very different values to those I champion... as you have pointed out a few times already.
I guess this reality isn't all that important to me - I have very little of myself invested here, so I see it as counter productive to go to such extreme measures in order to tie myself in knots simply to convince myself I am getting the most out of being a human being (which I don't believe anyway).
The most I can get out of existing in a superficial world is to study it. Observe and experience what it has to offer, but remain in a state of consciousness... that is, to only give superficial importance to that which is superficial (doesn't this make obvious sense?), and to invest yourself in that which underlies and is central to existence... clearly while exploring that which is central, if you find it is based upon lies, it would be foolishness to invest yourself in it as you are essentially throwing your investment away. That is why truth is so important - because I value myself and choose not to throw myself away. The more I discover central Truth and invest myself in it, the more I expand as a being, the more conscious I become, the more I am capable of perceiving.
I watch people invest themselves in lies and to me it is literally as if their consciousness is orbiting a black hole... They slowly but surely get sucked into it, becoming less and less. Values degrade, they become less perceptive, consciousness becomes thinner and thinner until their inner light is so dim that the superficial world is all that exists for them.
What I will do now is drop the argument and express how it is we can actually share and agree -
Exercise IS great for these reasons: who doesn't love those endorphins? Also, the body is something like a spaceship that houses consciousness in this reality... and like any machine it needs to be looked after and kept in tune in order to operate optimally. A sluggish, un tuned body can result in muddy perceptions, and clogged reception/attunement to consciousness itself.
This is why keeping fit and eating consciously is a wise practice if Truth and ultimately happiness is important to you.
It stands to reason, that no matter the psychological state of a person, if they make the effort to exercise regularly and change their diet to one that encourages bodily health, they will undoubtedly experience a lift in spirits, a change in attitude, and an overall improvement in their experience of reality.
Where does fiction play into this? Fiction is usually a lot of untruth. Sometimes people think of it as real, usually temporarily, but not always. What is your opinion of people who suspend disbelief, or follow things based on faith? I was in a position where I had to keep others motivated by not sharing the full truth with them (lives were literally on the line at times). As an additional form of motivation it is often useful to overstate the truth, or sometimes completely make things up that people probably know are not true, but it helps get them up and keep them going. Do you think negatively of these types of actions, even though they produce positive results?
Bringing some of these things together, sometimes it is useful for individuals or groups to believe things that are not untrue. Religions have made a business of this, and for some people these myths help keep them motivated when they might otherwise just give up. It can give them hope when times are very bad. This may not be for everyone. Do you feel that things that can help people are bad because they are not based on fact or reality? What is your opinion of people who follow things based on faith? Most information that has not been confirmed by each individual must be taken on faith to some degree.
Accepting what may not really be there as fact has literally been bred into us and many other animals. It has kept us alive. I am not too fond of humans either, however it seems that you are only targeting humans when this seems to be true of most mammals I have spent time with. You stay alive longer if you believe that the bad thing is in the grass or behind the tree over there, rather than verifying it every time. Occasional belief in a lie is much more valuable than insisting on truth in every situation. I do dislike when this is taken advantage of, but even that goes back to staying alive, however in this case it is for the survival of the individual rather than the group. Even that may sometimes be better for the group in the long run. Our existence is a product of things that are false. Would you prefer to unravel our lineage, or change what we are in your quest for truth? Do you see any value in things that are not true?
I think a lot of your questions will be answered simply by attempting to clarify what I mean by Truth.
Fact does not equal Truth.
Fact is a descriptive statement relative to a point of reference.
You may use facts much in the same way as making the statement that truths are relative.
Truths are relative because they are directly related to perspectives.
All perspectives are relative because it is impossible to have perspective without a point of reference.
Truth (with a big T) is not relative. It must always remain True regardless of perspective or point of reference. In that sense, Truth is that which has no opposite, and can never be cancelled out. Isn't untruth the opposite? Paradoxically, no. Untruths and truths exist in equal proportion within Truth.
Truth is that out of which all possibilities arise, all existence is realized, all questions, all challenges.
Truth is unquantifiable. Any attempt to do so is an illusion and while while doing so will create a 'reality', a truth... It will have it's counter and so can only exist relatively.
To try and paint a picture: on the quantum level, space is a bubbling ocean of virtual particles winking in and out of existence. Nothingness itself is frothing with limitless possibilities (wave functions) that realize into points of reference - perspectives (I.e. virtual particles).
Truth / Space / Consciousness are all one and the same.
Everything else, while recognisably valid , is simply a temporary realization of possibilities that will eventually dissolve back into the unquantifiable state that gave rise to them.
As I see it, the only difference between fact and fiction is relative perspectives.
Relative to this physical body, some realities I simultaneously exist in could be perceived as fiction (but not to me).
To myselves in those realities, this current existence could be perceived as fiction (but they aren't)
To my whole self (I.e all of me, not just this body and mind) all realities are both fact and fiction at the same time.
That is why this current reality, while valid, isn't so terribly important to me as to get depressed about it or even to do something as absurd as trying to quantify my value as a being by relating myself to the predominant value system of the predominant semi conscious life form in this reality.
And lastly, I just want to adress assigning value to 'survival'
You can probably see that to me death is simply a change of state, and that I am neither attached to this body, it's perspectives, or this personality.
I do not fear 'ceasing' to be, as what I am is unquantifiable limitless consciousness that is having an experience of limitation. In my True state I love and am all expressions / all beings equally.
When an experience is concluded it is only natural to let it go.
It is only unconsciousness that is driven to survive, as it has not yet become aware of it's true nature and hasn't realized the illusion of its corporeal existence.
The human ego is not that much different from animal instinct. In fact it is the last stage of unconscious evolution. Conscious evolution occurs after the ego is transcended, and is a whole order of magnitude a more fulfilling way of existing and developing.
Consider that egoic lifeforms (I.e humans) have in the past tried to quantify their relationships with evolved conscious beings and have described them as angels, deities, gods.
Unfortunately, in mankind's ignorance they superimposed their own egoic natures upon their understanding of these beings and so what we have today is a very skewed record/perspective on what these beings are like.
The statement 'you can only see what you yourself are' certainly holds a lot of truth here.
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