Hunting And Today's Protest

[spray]

And yeah, we do have a Responsible Government, I promise you.

Mark - this isn't anything personal, but for my benefit, can you give me some examples of where this government has been responsible?

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i think in the context mark is using the very fact that we have a 3+ party system with an effective method of rule that lasts as long as is constitutionally required, we have a responsible government.

even in modern countries such as italy the make up of parliament means you have an unstable mess that is never able to act of any of its manifesto.

 

[LHC]

I oppose any ban on hunting.

This is almost certainly more a matter of "getting one over those damn bourgeoisie toffs" than anything else.

 

[chrisnic0]

Lol spray why am i a dickhead? I dont think fox hunting is fun i dont like it, but i dont give a shit if they ban it. seriously i couldnt care less. ITS A FUCKIN FOX FFS. God damn, all these veggies on here need to man up. Its only meat ur all pussies. Oh and btw i havent got any animals coz i dont like them. Theres more important things to worry about. Just to reiterate ITS ONLY A FOX. Bothered

 

[Mosch]

And well, let's get one thing clear. What exactly are we talking about? My driving instructor hunts, and when he shoots a deer, he takes it home and eats it. I see no problem with that. Shooting something and then letting the cadaver lie around is just stupid, but if you intend to eat your prey, I think it's absolutely OK. If it asn't, we would enter a downard spiral that would lead over vegetarians to vegans to hippies and as we all know hippies are the lowest form of life there is and don't even taste good

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The term "prey" kinda gives away the implication here, at least in my mind. Once again, we seem to be talking about the animal instincts inside us to hunt for food. But those in the industrialized world shouldn't need to hunt for anything but coupons. The question is - is that driving instructor so poor that he needs to hunt for his own food? Or does he do it because he finds the "sport enjoyable"? That's the key here.

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I suppose he does it because he finds it enjoyable. And why the hell not? Where is the difference between him, a trained hunter, stalking a deer in the woods and then shooting it at a good moment, and buying frozen deer from the supermarket? Basically it's a dead deer. The ones you can buy at the butcher didn't grow on trees.

About prey, I don't know. Keep in mind I'm German, maybe I didn't completely get the right meaning of the word.

And that evolution theory is strange too, or (more liekly) I didn't completely understand. Why is it more advanced to not eat meat? Is it more advanced to not have sex too (keeping your examples)? I don't really get it.

 

[PinkSpider]

Lol spray why am i a dickhead? I dont think fox hunting is fun i dont like it, but i dont give a shit if they ban it. seriously i couldnt care less. ITS A FUCKIN FOX FFS. God damn, all these veggies on here need to man up. Its only meat ur all pussies. Oh and btw i havent got any animals coz i dont like them. Theres more important things to worry about. Just to reiterate ITS ONLY A FOX. Bothered

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You do sound like a dick head. Why the fuck do I need to man up, just cause I have beliefs that are different to yours... ho hum.

 

[Mark]

Lol spray why am i a dickhead? I dont think fox hunting is fun i dont like it, but i dont give a shit if they ban it. seriously i couldnt care less. ITS A FUCKIN FOX FFS. God damn, all these veggies on here need to man up. Its only meat ur all pussies. Oh and btw i havent got any animals coz i dont like them. Theres more important things to worry about. Just to reiterate ITS ONLY A FOX. Bothered

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You, my friend, are a class A Nasty. (Censored myself when I got to the end of the post you see.)

Don't tell to 'man up' or eat meat. You're pathetic-thank God you don't have animals. They don't have to suffer the embrassment of being smarter than you.

 

[divadsci]

So long as you eat what you kill I have no problem with it. Plus making sure it dies quickly is always good.

 

[mattmagoo]

apparantly if the ban is brought to be then 20,000 hoind dogs will be put down because they ar not suitable for pets

 

[Axeman]

I dont agree with it. There are several arguments that are used against banning that are bollocks...

e.g.

"We have to keep the fox numbers down...."

Yeah? Why Why the feck cant you just go out and blkast the foxes with a shotgun and be done with it? Why the hell do they have to prolong it and scare the thing half to death before it gets ripped apart whilst still alive? I dont disagree with fox-culling if its neccessary, I just diagree with the method buy which they choose to do it...


"Lots of people will lose their jobs...."

835 people are employed in fox-hunting kennels across the UK. They'll lose their jobs? Well whoopy-doo! Thats a small figure in the great sceme of things. I know it would be bad for the people, but its certainly not a number that would stop me channging my mind...


"The foxes enjoy the hunt..."

Yeah... well.... enough said....


"The hounds enjoy the hunt...."

And???


"It'd destroy countryside life..."

What - there's nothing better to do?


"It's traditional..."

Some traditions are 'evolved' out over the years as we become more aware of the consequences of them......



I had one of the biggest arguments of my life with somebody in school years ago about this. Basically, it turned out there was nothing she could come up with that I couldn't shoot down in flames....

It's an elitest, cruel, sadistic and outdated way of doing something that can be done so much more easily and humanely. Deriving enjoyment from it in my opinion is just plain WRONG....

Just my 2p

 

[Axeman]

Lol spray why am i a dickhead? I dont think fox hunting is fun i dont like it, but i dont give a shit if they ban it. seriously i couldnt care less. ITS A FUCKIN FOX FFS. God damn, all these veggies on here need to man up. Its only meat ur all pussies. Oh and btw i havent got any animals coz i dont like them. Theres more important things to worry about. Just to reiterate ITS ONLY A FOX. Bothered

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I eat meat - but I disagree with foxhunting. Doesn't make me a pussy. If you feel you have to eat meat and kill ani9mals in a sadistic way to be a man, then you're obviously severely lacking in other areas... :rolleyes:

 

[thebluenewt]

I oppose any ban on hunting.

This is almost certainly more a matter of "getting one over those damn bourgeoisie toffs" than anything else.

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No it's not. Plenty of good reasons have been put forward and none of them have anything to do with class.

 

[Mark]

apparantly if the ban is brought to be then 20,000 hoind dogs will be put down because they ar not suitable for pets

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There's no way that will happen. Just the hunters playing on the animal loving emotions. How dare they.

LHC, I'm really not sure where you get half of your ideas.

 

[LHC]

This was another victory for the proletariat, and a defeat for freedom. I'm riding the "it's only a fox" bandwagon, and sticking to it.

 

[raven]

This was another victory for the proletariat, and a defeat for freedom. I'm riding the "it's only a fox" bandwagon, and sticking to it.

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You make me giggle

 

[The Good]

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Seriously.

 

[thebluenewt]

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Seriously.

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I know there are annoying pushy vegetarians but most aren't like that. Plus I'm pretty sure that 99% of restaurants have several vegetarian options these days.

Besides I already eat that much meat!

 

[Enslaved]

apparantly if the ban is brought to be then 20,000 hoind dogs will be put down because they ar not suitable for pets

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Lies. And If it were true, at least the hounds wouldn't suffer like the foxes do.

 

[generalnmx]

And well, let's get one thing clear. What exactly are we talking about? My driving instructor hunts, and when he shoots a deer, he takes it home and eats it. I see no problem with that. Shooting something and then letting the cadaver lie around is just stupid, but if you intend to eat your prey, I think it's absolutely OK. If it asn't, we would enter a downard spiral that would lead over vegetarians to vegans to hippies and as we all know hippies are the lowest form of life there is and don't even taste good

​

The term "prey" kinda gives away the implication here, at least in my mind. Once again, we seem to be talking about the animal instincts inside us to hunt for food. But those in the industrialized world shouldn't need to hunt for anything but coupons. The question is - is that driving instructor so poor that he needs to hunt for his own food? Or does he do it because he finds the "sport enjoyable"? That's the key here.

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I suppose he does it because he finds it enjoyable. And why the hell not? Where is the difference between him, a trained hunter, stalking a deer in the woods and then shooting it at a good moment, and buying frozen deer from the supermarket? Basically it's a dead deer. The ones you can buy at the butcher didn't grow on trees.

The difference is that one is killed for food, the other is killed for sport. Unless the hunter really can't afford to buy meat at the supermarket.

About prey, I don't know. Keep in mind I'm German, maybe I didn't completely get the right meaning of the word.

Ah, my fault there. The term "prey" usually refers to an animal being hunted, where "predator" is the hunter. These are words most often used to describe a basic animal hunter & hunted relationship. Since humans are not basic animals, that's why the word seemed out of place.

And that evolution theory is strange too, or (more liekly) I didn't completely understand. Why is it more advanced to not eat meat? Is it more advanced to not have sex too (keeping your examples)? I don't really get it.

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Well, sex does serve a purpose - procreation. But it would be nice if we could evolve past sex being fun and find other things just as enjoyable. Yet killing other animals for sport has no purpose and it's cruel. If the biggest difference between us an lower animals is that we can blow 'em up and they can't, then why do people get so upset when countries bomb other countries?

Now, about eating meat...well, we have to make choices. Eating other humans is bad, but eating lower animals and plants is OK. So let's take one step further - eating lower animals is bad, but eating plants is OK. Then hopefully there will come a time where we need only consume artifically-produced matter and nothing is killed for our benefit. The less death in the world, of anything, the better.

 

[Mark]

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Seriously.

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That website sucks. I never force my views on anyone, nor do I consider myself morally superior.

 

[raven]

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Seriously.

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That website sucks. I never force my views on anyone, nor do I consider myself morally superior.

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Same here, just because I choose not to eat meat doesn't mean you have to do the same. I haven't read a single anti-meat statement from any of the vegetarians and I don't think meat is the issue when we are talking about fox hunting.