said you were trolling because you directly responded to my post that wasn't directed twoard you or your post at all (didn't even read your post untill after you responded) saying something something I listed had useless features in a topic about stuff that was over the top with functionality.... regardless of side comments... still think that approach is pretty trollish.
Once again, it certainly wasn't trolling.
My apologies that I thought that your post, which came after my post, and the content of which bore stunning similarities to some of the content in mine, was in any way a response. I didn't know that you hadn't read my post before yours was posted. :lol:
I'm aware of your bitterness to android in general... and a lot of other forum members... but even with it's flaws it's still a lot more open than the vast majority of embeded systems... in fact the truely open embeded systems are such a minority they are almost not even worth mentioning. If something is wrong, or if it is lacking something you want or need, it is completely possible to fix or customize it yourself to your liking ... but on the other hand it's easier just to look at it form the outside and point fingers and make fun of it's flaws.
It's not "bitterness" or "pointing fingers and making fun of its flaws" - that's easy to say, I know. I can't speak anyone else, but in my case it's actually a legitimate concern and gripe about the product.
I *really* want to see Android do well - we need more options in a computing ecosystem that has been a virtual monoculture for far too long, as well as in fields where it's in some slight danger of becoming one, and I fully support Android for that reason. After all, we used to have lots more options, and those times were not only much more interesting, but much more competitive, as well, which from my perspective had good results.
rooting isn't something you have to do... I'm sure what it was designed for (basically what we were just talking about) it's great at (gps tracking for sports and crap) it's enabling the jack of all trades thing that makes rooting required.
I know it's not something you have to do, but it seems that it's the first thing that gets mentioned with regard to trying to use Android-based devices, just about anywhere it comes up. The impression it leaves is that to get the best out of most hardware that gets shipped with Android, you need to "root" it.
When the OS wasn't misbehaving, I felt no need to "root" it on the Transformer, so I know that it can be quite good without the need for that.
I know you were unhappy with your transformer, read all about it...
The hardware was great, and I still believe that. The software - the OS and especially Google's applications for it, specifically - are where my legitimate gripes were and are.
I really hope this improves. If it does, I might be inclined to give it all another look a couple of years down the line*.
*I personally feel that Android is not *quite* mature enough for commercial use yet, though it is astonishingly mature for an OS that's only been around for a few years (this is something that really impressed me about it, actually) - I would imagine if I wait a couple of years, the gripes I have now could be long gone, as long as they don't fall into the trap of pursuing bloat for the sake of being able to have flashy high-spec hardware as a bullet-point. If Amazon takes as long to introduce the Kindle Fire here as they did the Kindle itself, that might be long enough! :lol:
but the core apps like maps and email and stuff are solid... i've never ran into a single bug or force close even once... and have been useing android since 08' 3rd party apps sometimes crash heavily because of flaws in the independant developers and homebrewers code, I wouldn't blame the OS for some app programmer's failings. Even if it was an OEM app that was crashing out, it's not a good representation of the operating system as a whole.
Lucky. They were incredibly frequent for me. :lol: Only with Google's "core" applications, though. I especially didn't appreciate the way the web browser crashes all the time and doesn't restore the tabs you had open, I must say.
Above all the other issues I encountered, that one is highest on my "I wish they would fix that" list.
Have they fixed that issue where the icon for Spam in the e-mail application is an angry alien face, yet? :lol:
The transformer was ASUS's 2nd swing at android... and the version it was running wasn't even open sourced because it was so hacky... but this whole paragraph is O/T and talking to a wall I'm sure.
I had heard about that. Regardless, said version got tons of praise with no constructive criticism that I could find, and I went in with expectations for the software that had been tempered by that praise...
It's a mistake I won't make again, of course (and oddly, it's one I usually don't make - I'm not sure what was different this time...).
Why the "talking to a wall" comment, anyway? If you're thinking I'll ignore the text because I have legitimate gripes with a product that I don't believe is ready for commercial use yet, you're quite wrong, I assure you.
I mean, if I thought Android wasn't worthwhile, 1: I wouldn't be talking about it and expressing where I would like it to be improved and would like to see it do, and 2: I wouldn't have bought Android doodads from Google in order to put some money back into developing it further. One can support something whilst still not liking all aspects of it - that's the case with my views on Android right now.
my last little edit on my last post gives you the freedom to port whatever OS you could want to it anyway so if android wasn't your ideal solution port yourself something better on a very decent miniture platform with tons of great hardware features.
Ah, neat - that should be interesting, and I'm going to give that a look (assuming the watches aren't ludicrously expensive here, if they're available at all). Thanks much!
EDIT: If you don't mind, I'm going to split out the discussion that I inadvertently started here into its own thread, so as not to drag this one off-topic any further.