Why argue for "Full" USB when the industry itself will tell you it breaks much sooner than microUSB?
You only need to buy one cable since the P2 will most likely have one usb port.
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microUSB is mechanically flawed
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You only need to buy one cable since the P2 will most likely have one usb port. That one cable let's you interact with all of your peripherals. If you are carrying peripherals around then you have room for this cable, or adapter, if you prefer. If you aren't carrying these peripherals around then you have room for this cable, or adapter if you prefer, wherever you are storing your peripheral!
Nope this will do.No, I didn't report you, I told you to your face that you're being an asshole again. In fact, I've never reported you. Got any more claims about me you want to make?
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:52 PM
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Are we supposed to be put off by your threats that you'll start being even worse, Overgauss? Any sane forum admins would start handing out bans the second the person started saying they intend to become even MORE annoying.. especially after you PMed them to people like Wally..
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But I digress, this thread should now be about how Craig is a massive troll who encourages forum drama so long as it's not directed at him.
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(nonetheless, taking Craig's "I'm not a mod" seriously his opinion shouldn't really have any bearing on what's done with OG)
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https://boards.openpandora.org/boards/index.php?/user/559-exophase/https://boards.openpandora.org/boards/index.php?/user/559-exophase/ is what I said. Also I never throw the first punch so don't blame me for fighting back. I'm polite at first than people like you abuse that politeness and get upset because my bite is much worse than yours. If you think I'm mean now, wait until I take the kid gloves off. I normally give people at least two swings first, then it's all over. If you don't like the way I talk to you get off my nuts.
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:13 PM
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Wow - just wow.
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Reading this entire thread from beginning to end is quite enlightening. I only joined the forum for this - I am a preorderer (though still waiting for mine at the moment) and originally thought I'll get my P1 before I'll dig my trail here - though I have stalked the forum for news and the like.
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Its like Scott Pilgrim Overgauss vs the World lol
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The stange thing is that it seems that both sides are making comments that the other is then confusing/not understanding and retaliating on.
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Take the Form over Functionality vs Functionality over Form.
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Now immediately people are jumping in thinking Overgauss wants the P2 to be like these devices when the things he said in his first post in this thread are
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"You could have an increase in functionality as well as a decrease in the chunky factor. I'd much rather have a device that had increased functionality, aesthetics and the ability to take up less space in my pocket or bag and what have you."
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"The traditional bulky look of the pandora is not necessary to maintain or improve upon the functionality of the unit."
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Now the first statement is truth as tech advances forward and second part of the first statement is his opinion. The second statement is again a mix of both his opinion and the fact that as tech advances you can make things nicer. Example the DS and DS Lite are prime examples of this. iCP and iCP2 are also possible candidates - Craig crammed a keybard into what was basically a controller! (alternatively you could also say its the bottom half of the P1 without a screen)
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Overgauss simply pointed out some things that had plenty of functionality in a sleek form factor (admittedly not the best examples though one should note that there is nothing else exactly like the P1 in the market - its why the P1 was made in the first place! The closest I would say would be the old Psions which had the keyboard and touch functionality etc)
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Now naturally one can see where he is coming from in a single post. Even as concept and prototype devices these were pretty cool as a show piece on shrinking tech - note that the 7 inch tablet is now defacto (Nexus 7, Ipad Mini etc) - Electronics have gotten smaller and more efficient so it is not hard to see that if you basically took the P1 and redid the whole thing again from scratch - given the experience gained by the team from working on P1 and iCP - I have no doubt the whole thing would be likely more slimmer etc. I bet 1080p screens and quad core arm chips were not even on the horizon when the P1 was conceived.
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Hell it seems to be a mobius strip this arguement as both parties are walking on both sides. Many are saying that you don't care about style/sleek looks/slimness. That cannot be completely true. Everyone cares in some way about the aesthetics of EVERYTHING they own - even if its just functional aesthetics. You paint your house - but I bet if the best protection available was bright Pink paint only found in Africa and noone else on in the world had used it. You would care about it.
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IF the P1 was not pocketable and only available in vomit yellow that would definitely impact how much you care. (You would need to start toting a bag, and a case, and with the bag comes more inconvenience and etc and so on and so forth)
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Overgauss was simply pointing out that functionality can come in many forms, I am all for having all the original functionality in someway in the P2 but if it can be slimmer etc surely thats a good thing?
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There were functions that have been argued for that could be miscontrued too
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1. Battery life - I read on several comments about this but battery tech has advanced a bit in that they can be made slimmer (have you seen how thin tablet batteries are?) and many components simply use less power because of the smaller die processes and efficency - if we are thinking about the future here we need to take that into account.
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2. Full QWERTY Keyboard - this is pretty much a given to be honest - the iCP2 is a prime example of something that can be used as a stepping stone forward.
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3. SD slots - Plenty of arguments on both sides about this. But this one seems to boil down to 3 things - Space, Cost and Function - One slot takes up a fair bit of room on a board and 2 would take even more (craig has already explained this), Overgauss is thinking about the cost in the long run as flash mem becomes cheaper, while functionality is being pioneered by the others. I can see the point in all of the arguements - ED pointed out he would like at least 1 full size SD card slot so maybe thats the compromise people should have?
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4. USB hub - This seems to follow the planned modular nature of P2 and Overgauss didn't really have a go about this in the first place.
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While I can understand peoples desire to remain part of the 1% who want something different that the main market cannot offer. Surely if it became more open to a wider audience by being both functional and stylish/sleek/slim that the 1% becomes 2% that would be a good thing - With more people there is always a greater support and software will be better etc. I am not saying that OP will be a big player like MS or Apple but with a bigger voice it can only help.
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Exitphase I asked you to get off my nuts. I spoke to Wally the way I did because no admin should be posting that a forum member is an idiot for asking a simple question in a polite fashion. I told him that until he apologised to me I didn't want to hear anything else from him. I'm sorry my balls are bigger than yours. Now if you want to keep tangoing we can no problem, but don't start crying to a mod because I make you start blubbering and hollering for your mother.
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For goodness sake I call you Exitphase left because you travelled all the way to an offtopic thread calling for modques because why? I ignored you previously? So I chained you to this thread and made you read it. Don't you see you being constantly on my nuts is problematic and not helping anything? Isn't that a little abnormal to be so concerned about something not involving you in a thread called Overgauss vs Everyone else. So abnormal your butt is so chafed you have to talk to mods? Because my posts are too long and I destroy those swinging from my nads?
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You're so unbalanced just saying exitphase left sends you raging.
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lolz Exitphase, nice try but it has to actually mean something.
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You are correct, I have no argument against you because I don't care at all about what you're trying to argue. Whatever you're saying must be terribly obfuscated by the quality of your posts. You're really an awful poster who is shitting up the forums with your rage spam, and I don't know why you've been tolerated this long.
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You're still pissed because I destroyed you in that microSD thread. Let it go man let it go.
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But perhaps Craig will find OG less entertaining now that he's posting his PMs..
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Hurry! Go Exitphase Right and tell him! Maybe he'll pat your head and give you a treat. Awww. Who's a good doggy? WHO'S a good doggy! Yesh you are yesh yer a good doggy! Right paw! Can you give me your right paw? Gooooood doggy! OK now left paw! GOOD DOGGY! Who's my favorite buddy? That's right Exitphase is my favorite buddy! Now go play dead until I come and get you.
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Learn How to Speed Read and become an enabler for my advanced and acute case of Wall-O-Text-itis!
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.....DECIMATE ....... ........ With these tools, my doom is all but assured! Use them wisely.
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lol - exitphase
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I'm not sure why the discussion is moot because I was under the impression that the powers that be were in full support of "full" USB. As always feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You quoted one part but omited the part that qualified my statement.
(From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Connectors)
I agree with _wb_ that the TV out port needs to be really secure so it stays put while you're using the Pandora as a controller. So something locking is preferable, if it can be managed.
I agree with _wb_ that the TV out port needs to be really secure so it stays put while you're using the Pandora as a controller. So something locking is preferable, if it can be managed.
The first time someone walks between you and the TV, snags the cable and sends your Pandora 2 flying out of your hands at the TV screen as if fired from a trebuchet - then you'll want a connector that doesn't clip, screw, glue or otherwise anchor itself to your handheld.
To me, the controls ON the Pandora are much better suited to use while looking at the Pandora's screen. I don't want to stretch a 15' long cable back to the couch and hope the dog doesn't hear something outside and run through it. That is where an ICP2+P2=happiness equation comes into play.
Hmm, I think I'm going to side with Grench on this one, at least as far as the validity of the situation. I've had SNES controllers ripped out of my hands by careless TV walkers, and those are fairly easy to pull out at the plug end as it is. If someone walks in front of me while I'm playing my Pandora on the big screen I would absolutely prefer the cable be pulled out than to have my Pandora thrown against a wall due to a firmly attached cable.This sounds like a stretch. I'm not worried about someone walking in front of a TV while I'm using a controller attached to it and snagging it out of my hands. If that happened the force of my holding onto the controller would probably give them enough indication to stop moving.