Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Please stay safe, y'all


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North Carolina just broke its own daily record for new cases, 5600 versus a previous high of 4500. That said, the rise in hospitalizations has been steadier, but they're still at a record high too.

Going by a national map I saw in an article earlier today, NC is actually one of the states being spared right now. That's all relative though. Not sure anyone is really being spared.
 
Yes, positive tests predate hospitalisation for some who succumb, and in turn in developed countries at least leads to some of them not getting out of hospital and dying in there. In terms of numbers, deaths lags from hospitalisation which in turn lags from positive tests.
 
I love you. ... woops, response to the snarky post on previous page. You guys are great.
 
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Sweden is a good illustration of my point:
You say that Sweden has the same numbers as everyone else. I say that Sweden has much higher numbers compared to its neighbors.

I could be wrong. I read the opposite, but, I would be happy to accept this if true.
 
What I've heard is that if you compare Sweden's numbers to the US or the UK you get very similar results, despite spotty lockdowns happening in both places. But if you compare if to similar countries, particularly similarly scani or nordic countries then it looks a lot worse. The UK for example is a lot more populous than Sweden is. Plus it's not like they've done nothing, they've banned large assemblies and have instituted trace and testing.
 
Saint Joe Biden keeps the guy from the US taskforce anti-covid "strategy" which consisted in doing absolutely nothing to prevent the virus from entering the country (same "strategy" as in France, UK, etc.):
 
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EU courts that just ruled chinese flue tests useless: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507937-covid-pcr-test-fail/

Everyone has opinions on this topic, but, the numbers neither support anyones interpretation of the science fully nor do they support any one risk management strategy. The worst part is that no one can actually tell why some areas have seemingly low infection rates (I am told Korea and Japan have low infection rates, not 100% sure ) while others rage on regardless of mitigation strategy.

May 13: Trump says keep schools open (everyone ridicules him):
Nov 29: Fauci says schools should open (Trump was right):

On one side 9 members of my family have tested for the chinese virus. Someone posted that it might be likely that maybe most of them had perhaps a more normal flu. If the problems with testing are true, that person is most likely right.

What I love the most about this topic is everyone posting shit all the time and completely discrediting them selves. Especially scientists playing politicians. Scientists (edit: and doctors) have failed so absolutely in their ability to not only diagnose (or even provision for valid testing procedures as per post above) but provision for effective mitigation and risk management solutions such that scientists have basically demoted them selves to the level of car mechanics.

Take your car to 5 mechanics you get 5 different opinions. Ask 5 scientists you get 15 different opinions every time you ask them.

The chinese flu has not only demolished the reputation of scientists and the entire science establishment, it has totally nuked the entirety of the environmental movement as collateral damage. The entirety of the environmental movement depends on climate modeling predictions, all of which are now contaminated by the day to day evidence that scientists really don't have a clue.

At this point in time, the opinion of the average scientist on any topic is only marginally better than the opinon of SWAT.

This started as giving SWAT a bit of a hard time, but really, it's a compliment. The entirety of society is made up of a bunch of people pretending they are experts when they are little more than marginal middle managers trying to keep one chapter ahead of everyone else in order to keep their job.

We now get to see everyone fail 100% across all of our specialties. I am a supporter of vaccines, but, I cannot wait until the forced vaccine innoculations start to kill and maim people. That is going to be a sight to behold.
 
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You know, in February I was really worried about the chinese virus for those very same reasons. I saw the videos and within a couple of days I went out and bought 200 pounds of rice and other rations. When everyone panicked I was comfy and just laughed and laughed at everyone.

But, here is the thing. To extend the previous post, WE NOW KNOW THE OUTER BOUNDS OF THE CHINESE VIRUS.

WE KNOW that intubations are not necessary and that they kill people. We know that the effects are barely sever for anyone. We know that the people that die are old and have co-morbidities and we know that anyone that dies with it usually dies with the chinese virus not from the chinese virus.

Even if we take all your guys scaremongered opinions on the virus are true the reality is NO ONE IS FALLING DOWN AND DYING FROM THE CHINESE VIRUS.

Like really, what the hell was that in china when those videos were comming out? There were like 2 months worth, there were videos of people being welded into their appartments and old ladies begging for food and money off of their balconies because they were welded shut.

And now Wuhan is completely open and in the summer people were allowed to go into pool parks (check it out, tons of youtube videos from this summer)?

You know, if you ever have the chance to be at a high enough level (and enough experience) in management where you have to do a lot of negotiations, there is a thing called TOO ON THE NOSE.

When something is TOO ON THE NOSE what that means is that someone is lying outright or putting english on the cue ball to their advantage.

Here is an example of TOO ON THE NOSE (also, this is an example of THE DOG NOT BARKING):


Here is a video of a TOP OF THE TOP professional in their field telling the story about the tic tac incident. On the surface of it, the way the story details line up, it is a really compelling story, so much so that you kind of start to go holy moly, this could be true.

But, give it a few months, watch the original and related interviews a bunch of times.

After a while, if you have the experience (you are wired to notice it but it helps if you have the training) you start to kind of go, this is way too convenient of a story. He tells the story EXACTLY the same way and the way he builds supporting narratives around the core tictac story is JUST A LITTLE TOO ON THE NOSE. Also, there is THE DOG THAT ISN'T BARKING. Not only has this guy been talking about a classified incident, he has been giving up lots of information about radar and avionics in the planes he was flying. He has provided his rank and tons of information about what his rank and his officers do on a daily basis and so forth. THE DOG NOT BARKING is this: why hasn't the military either offed this guy already or just dissapeared him the moment they got word that he is giving away all of this information?

The A LITTLE TOO ON THE NOSE part is the kind of thing that should be raising a lot of red flags. I loved this guy when I heard of him but now that I have had enough time to listen to him, this story is way too convenient.

Whatever is going on with the tic tac story is not what we think it is. Someone is playing games here and we are the suckers.

This is kind of what is going on with the chinese virus thing. First, those videos of people dying on the street are WAAAAAAAY TOO ON THE NOSE. Then welding people in? Then videos of trucks spraying down cities? For this virus? WHERE DID THOSE TRUCKS COME FROM? Who has giant trucks with those canisters on the back ready to go with de-fumigation gas of some sort? Then add the whole chines virus testing seems to be either too sensitive or improperly applied as per the court ruling. Then add to that, none of our leaders nor our scientists have a clue how to either identify the chinese virus nor what to do about it?

Something is a little too on the nose here. This doesn't smell right. Those videos from china were 100% faked. There is no way they were real.
 
I mean, what did you want him to do to prevent coronavirus from entering the country? Build a wall?

South Korea, 4 February 2020, "in order to help prevent spread of the disease, South Korea began denying entry to foreigners traveling from Hubei Province in China." ...etc.
South Korea total covid deaths: 540

Vietnam, 24 January 2020, "Acting Minister of Health Vũ Đức Đam ordered the activation of the Emergency Epidemic Prevention Centre."...etc.
Vietnam total covid deaths: 35

Taiwan, 31 December 2019, "Taiwan Centers for Disease Control (CDC) implemented inspection measures for inbound flights from Wuhan, China in response to reports of an unidentified outbreak."...etc.
Taiwan total covid deaths: 7

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_South_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Taiwan
 
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Heat-trapping gas levels reach a new record high, despite the coronavirus lockdown
No, the coronavirus lockdown did not solve climate change. Not even a little bit. In fact, the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere surged to a new record high this year, even as the pandemic brought the world to a standstill, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said Monday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...-despite-the-coronavirus-lockdown/ar-BB1bib1g

Greenhouse gas levels at new high, despite Covid-19 measures
https://phys.org/news/2020-11-greenhouse-gas-high-covid-.html
 
Ask 5 scientists you get 15 different opinions every time you ask them.
Does that not mean that the scientists quickly looks at his employer to look for clues on what to say? (or that scientists actually change their opinion depending on the data they are getting. This is like getting angry watching a soccer match and getting angry that it was 1-0 and now its 2-0 and the referee can't make up his mind on what the score is. And now it's 2-1 and the referee now really can't make up his mind. What is the score of the match?
NO ONE IS FALLING DOWN AND DYING FROM THE CHINESE VIRUS.
Don't say no-one...
 
South Korea, 4 February 2020, "in order to help prevent spread of the disease, South Korea began denying entry to foreigners traveling from Hubei Province in China." ...etc.
Also, as I understand it, if you land in Australia in a plane, they take you to a hotel and keep you on there for two weeks, until you prove you're well enough to leave. I'm not sure how much immigration on boats is still happening there though, and that could be a problem because they can pitch up more or less anywhere not to cliffy on the coast if they don't want to be caught.
 
I was reminded of an article from before the election about the issues that divide people within each party in the US. Only about half of Democrats support forcing people to take the COVID-19 vaccine. Means Biden has a tough choice to make. Obviously the vaccine doesn't help if people don't use it. I'm sure he'll do the right thing eventually, but it'll hurt his approval rating a bit.
 
I don't think anyone's really considering forcing people to take the vaccine. We didn't when we beat TB or polio. Nowadays people who are on social media at least are likely to be exposed to people who think there an ulterior motive in the creation of this vaccine, or at least some intrinsic risk that it might cause us more damage. The scientists have been running tests to prove that it's not dangerous, but the same people are telling us not to trust those scientists. Education is what's needed.
 
The thing is, you can't really support a ban on smoking or vaping, or support a mask mandate, and then turn around and allow people to continue spreading second-hand COVID. It's hypocrisy.

Forcing the vaccine seems likely to be needed, especially in the US.
 
Does that not mean that the scientists quickly looks at his employer to look for clues on what to say? (or that scientists actually change their opinion depending on the data they are getting. This is like getting angry watching a soccer match and getting angry that it was 1-0 and now its 2-0 and the referee can't make up his mind on what the score is. And now it's 2-1 and the referee now really can't make up his mind. What is the score of the match?

Good point.
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I don't think anyone's really considering forcing people to take the vaccine. We didn't when we beat TB or polio. Nowadays people who are on social media at least are likely to be exposed to people who think there an ulterior motive in the creation of this vaccine, or at least some intrinsic risk that it might cause us more damage. The scientists have been running tests to prove that it's not dangerous, but the same people are telling us not to trust those scientists. Education is what's needed.

The teachers are as now as politicized to such a degree they call math racist:

 
SWAT, thanks for the updates on the stats of those countries. Isn't that a peculiar set of data?

Anyone have any thoughts on why their numbers are so low?
 
Found it:


A great set of insights about peer reviewed papers, scientific studies and how to read / think about them and how to really understand it.

Most interesting statement: "It is hopeless to unpack garbage for some field you haven't studied ... "

Just think of what is being said in this video. NOT ONLY are there entire areas of study that are DEMONSTRABLY FALSE, COMPLETELY FAKE AND MADE UP and have their own publication organizations that publish completely made up garbage (gender studies), even any legitimate area of study has an enormous amount of pure sheize that no non specialist has any hope to really grasp. At best you can try and find someone you trust to help explain it to you, but, all you have done at that point is push the problem away by one person because you will never be able to tell if the person with the expertice is being honest or whether they are even fully aware of their own bias even if they have the credibility card right.

Sabine Hossenfelder has a whole bunch of videos basically calling string physicists ( and other groups) scam artists:



So you pull all of this together ( at least here in North America) :

* Kindergarden teachers are now embedding critical race theory and inejcting all kinds of garbage from the gay and trans community into the curriculum when kids are barely kids.

* Through middle education they are taught all kinds of (at minimum) biased facts and outright lies about everything including that math is racist.

* Then you send your kids to university and they come out beleiving they have a clue.

And then we all sit around and have conversation about topics we have no clue about and get upset at everyone around us not agreeing with us.

The conversation MUST happen, without it, there is no way out and no way to discover any aspect of truth, of course. But, holycow, is the conversation really hard.
 
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