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There were two tweets from my state's health department about the Moderna shots and long-term care. The first says if Moderna's vaccine is approved on Thursday, they expect to get 175,000 doses of it next week, just over half of which will go to long-term care facilities.

The second, however, says that they expect to start vaccinations of long-term care people at the end of the month. Not sure what's with the week or so delay between getting the vaccines and starting the vaccinations.
 
Of course they wanted a maximum of people to be infected. They let the virus enter and did nothing for months, exactly what European countries did.

"The coronavirus pandemic has “unleashed state corruption on a grand scale” that is “harmful to public health”, a scathing editorial in medical journal the BMJ has said.
In an unusually political intervention for the highly-respected scientific publication, it warns that politicians are “suppressing science” and accuses the government of “opportunistic embezzlement”.
“The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency – a time when it is even more important to safeguard science,”"

The full article:
 
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Nobody knows. Nobody's going to be exposing people who've taken the vaccine with live virus just to prove it works. So we need to wait until enough people have been vaccinated and see what happens.
I think that's what they call human challenge trial, that I said I also don't like
Somebody who worked at Pfizer warned others wanted to do just that, I don't know if they're yet going to do it. I've heard the WHO is going to discuss it in some meeting. It doesn't sound right to me.
But now...
Hmmm.... I might change my mind. human challenge trials didn't look right to me. But if the test subjects were Trump, Paul Alexander, Boris Johnson and so on (people in power defending herd immunity policies),
it could be justified just like violence in self defense could (I guess Trump doesn't count, because he seems to have been ill of COVID19 already, Boris Johnson too I think?).
 
Of course they wanted a maximum of people to be infected. They let the virus enter and did nothing for months, exactly what European countries did.


"The coronavirus pandemic has “unleashed state corruption on a grand scale” that is “harmful to public health”, a scathing editorial in medical journal the BMJ has said.
In an unusually political intervention for the highly-respected scientific publication, it warns that politicians are “suppressing science” and accuses the government of “opportunistic embezzlement”.
“The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency – a time when it is even more important to safeguard science,”"

The full article:
 
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The professor Christian Perronne who doesn't follow the government's propaganda just have been fired:

"Witch hunt intensifies":

His full curriculum vitae (from the previous article):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T0CHaByNyVADa5h8ZH1aWD4UteaRm4FJ/view

Note how a propaganda newspaper name him: "star of the conspirationists".
 
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"There will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it."

 
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Re-Opened due to several requests, reminder people check sources, if it seems overly political, uses racial terms and such, then maybe it's not right here. This is a lower moderated section, so just keep it clean, I don't want to see 26 reports in a few days like I did earlier.
 
Thanks to the mods.

I was frightened by this post:

Vaccination was supposed not to be mandatory in France, but the government tries to use dirty tricks to make it so, e.g. restricting movements or access to public transportation:
 
It is really that much of an imposition that you're not allowed to take a bus if you've not been vaccinated? As far as I can tell, most people that have invested in a car will almost always use that in preference to taking a bus or a train.

And personal freedom always has to be constrained, necessarily. Once it reaches the point that either by your action or inaction it impinges on other people's freedoms then it ought to be constrained. And being given the opportunity to take a vaccine that is defined to make it safe to congregate on buses and trains and then not taking up that offer sounds almost like the kind of thing it makes sense to constrain.
 
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As the current "vaccines" don't prevent from being contaminated and contagious, this is nonsense.
 
President-elect Biden has a plan to reopen all schools in his first one hundred days in office, basically by the end of April. I wonder which scientists he listened to on that one.

Just a few days ago, he said our darkest days of battling COVID-19 were still ahead of us. I'm more inclined to agree with that Biden.
 
I've not seen evidence that they don't precent infection, just a lack of evidence that they do because it's not been tested for yet. Don't mix those two things up in your head.
That's the same I read. But I think you need some kind of evidence to restrict freedom of movement. You can't tell people not to take a bus just because they didn't take something that might prevent contagion or might just make them asymptomatic spreaders and has just 1/10 of the safety trial completed and no safety warrantee from the manufacturer, despite the very real existence of the emergency that justified the emergency use approval.

It is really that much of an imposition that you're not allowed to take a bus if you've not been vaccinated? As far as I can tell, most people that have invested in a car will almost always use that in preference to taking a bus or a train.
Yes, it is. Not everyone has a car, or a driving license, not everyone can pay for fuel for all their movements, not everyone lives in a place that has enough bandwith for cars (in some cities bicycles or public transport is much faster and more convenient).
And not everyone who didn't take the vaccine did it on their own will. Some may be under 16, severely alerghic, immunosupressed or have some contraindication [btw, anticoagulants seem not to be a real contraindication as I said earlier, I've edited my post].
Now you'll have to show your medical records to the police or to a bus driver to prove that you can or cannot mount a bus ? It's just madness.

And some may just not be in a prioritary group. Or may have recently come from a country without effective access to the vaccine. There's lots of people to vaccinate. Until everyone who wants has been vaccinated I don't know why anyone should worry about those that don't want. They're not causing anyone to have higher risk of COVID-19. Not now anyway. And when everybody who wants has been vaccinated, we'll know more about safety, so the number who still won't want will be much smaller, possibly epidemiologically irrelevant. So hinting at measures against those who don't want to vaccinate now is quite authoritarian, even for people who aren't skeptical of the vaccines.

Some people eat badly, or smoke, or live sedentarian, or have philosophical attitudes that lead them to more stress and are more likely to get all sort of diseases, some of them contagious, so they are relatively more of a public health risk than others.
Some people who vaccinated with a 95% effective vaccine (assuming that's the efficiency for contagion too, not only symptoms) will be 20 times more careless with masks, social distancing and hand washing or social circles than some who didn't vaccinate but isolate, wash and wear mask as much as possible.
Let's not go near that slippery slope.

Do all education and publicity you want as soon as you want for the vaccines, I don't want to understate the effort and genius that has gone into them, but don't take measures against those who refuse. At least until 2022. Don't force your hopes unto others.
 
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