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i SAID redundant ... as in it is mostly the same as debian.... with patches that could be put into debian

as parag0n mentioned the petty bickering.... debian can be quite nasty when it comes to licenseing.... i mean firefox is even rebranded due to this in debian

debian and ubuntu bot have problems but for me I can take debians crap better that the bloat in ubuntu

I must admit that ubunut is better at networking than debian etch... hopefully lenny will fix that also checkinstall is broken in etch one of the main resons im using debian and i know it is working in lenny
 
well... almost every ubuntu-patch is open-source, so why shouldn't they pick those themselves? Why should ubuntu devs spend half their day asking debian, if they want their patches and try to convince them using them?
Their are quite some debian-members working for canonical and they pretty sure attach their patches to debian-packages (while they won't get paid for that hobby :)) What's the problem?
Ubuntu is it's own distribution, so devs can't wait till debian wants to integrate their work.

Binary compatibility is a thing one can argue about, but really, it's not that bad to recompile a package from ubuntu to debian or back. It just get's nasty, if the content of the package is closed source.

Why are you arguing anyway? This thread is about letting ubuntu run on the pandora. This should be very much possible, but not the typical full-blown gnome-ubuntu, but maybe an lightweight version, based on server-installation plus a lightweight guy (LXDE, Xfce, a simple WM or even something homebrew...) Since a debian on pandora wouldn't have any issues with wireless (since it would be optimised anyway) I guess the only thing, one would get from using ubuntu on the pandora would be the universe-repository, that contains some cool stuff, that is not inside debian repos. On the other hand, from what I've seen, even an ubuntu server installation will be pretty bloated, compared to debian and also a lot of packages have much wider dependencies. Also, I'm not sure, how many packages in universe are build for arm anyway. I'll take a look later.
So... ubuntu might be cool, but debian would pretty sure do a much better job. I really hope pandora dev's will pick up debian as the pandora OS, since i would think it's better supported and has a much better package-manager than openembedded.
Having a tweaked Ubuntu that can be used as an alternative OS for pandora would be a not more than a headline news, but why not ;)?
 
I thought that there was a project to ARM port a bunch of apps?

I can't remember if it was Ubuntu or not though.

I might like Ubuntu mobile (not full-on ubuntu), it just depends on how functional and user friendly the OS it ships with is in comparison.

It would probably boot off of an SD anyway, so you could boot the default OS/Firmware at any time.

If it works, and works quickly, then I don't see any reason it can't be used. Some people may use it for an application or function that they need, and others may only use apps that work on the Pandora OS as well, so there will be no benefit to them.

I don't think I will ever feel a USB video card is useful (well, it would be useful to read email, but for $100 I could get a better equipped complete PC for reading email).

USB is simply not designed to move the kind of information that a video display needs to display moving pictures or generated video. I also have reservations as to the nature of ARM drivers for Linux, or open source to develop such drivers. Even if drivers were available, would they use so much of the processing power and memory that the resulting system would be unusable except for extremely light applications?

Saw a cartoon a while back where a grandfather couldn't understand his grandkid using an ipod (apparently, not mentioned) to watch video as they sat in front of a 50" big screen that wasn't on. I feel pretty much the same way, except my feelings extend to the point where I wonder why people feel the need for DVI addons that cost more than a box(PC) with DVI output that has more computing power and more programs and OS'es for it already.
 
debian has been porting its entire package repo to arm (probably one of the main reasons ubuntu has an arm port... probably a joint effort)

BTW: last time i checked i can't fit a DVD collection and a 50" plasma screen in my pocket or my bookbag for that matter
 
cb88 said:
i SAID redundant ... as in it is mostly the same as debian.... with patches that could be put into debian

as parag0n mentioned the petty bickering.... debian can be quite nasty when it comes to licenseing.... i mean firefox is even rebranded due to this in debian

debian and ubuntu bot have problems but for me I can take debians crap better that the bloat in ubuntu

I must admit that ubunut is better at networking than debian etch... hopefully lenny will fix that also checkinstall is broken in etch one of the main resons im using debian and i know it is working in lenny
Whoops, sorry about that. I always thought that redundant meant unnecessary or something like that.
 
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nubie said:
I might like Ubuntu mobile (not full-on ubuntu), it just depends on how functional and user friendly the OS it ships with is in comparison.
If it ends up being anything like the eeebuntu netbook remix ISO or even just eeebuntu, then it'll be nice enough. I've been tinkering around with the live CDs trying to decide which I want to drop on my eeePC and both have their plusses and minuses. The netbook remix launcher promises to be a nice enough UI for even the Pandora for most of the things we'd need.
 
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