Ubuntu is phasing out i386 (32bit) libraries altogether

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  1. FBnil

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    Ah.. just run them from inside LXD containers...
     
  2. levi

    levi Still fresh, damnit!

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    Or set up your own chroot, although this LXD thing apparently gives you resource constraints over that, so if you're running untrusted software that might be the way to go.
     
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    @FBnil actually my C3 a Nehemiah (Via C3-2) so still x86 (32 bit) but falls into i686 cpu category.
     
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  4. Klumpen

    Klumpen Run away! Run away!

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    System76 decided to keep 32 bit libraries and maintain them by themselves in their Pop!OS
    a distro based on Ubuntu.
     
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    Well that's what I'm switching to then.
     
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  6. Klumpen

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    It starts:
    twitter.com/Plagman2/status/1142262103106973698?s=20
     
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    Ubuntu just shot themselves in the foot with this.
     
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  8. Klumpen

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  9. levi

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    If the 32-bit libs are available to 64-bit users, they must have a different package name so I don't see a problem there.

    But this shows the problem that arise from closed source binary drops. For myself, the vast majority of the games I played on my Pandora had corresponding source, and they kept me entertained personally, so I don't see why people need to go for these closed source games but there you go.
     
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    I kinda quit Steam anyway. Just wondering, what should we use for games? Just GOG, or are there other options?
     
  12. levi

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    For emulators in x86, my go to is mednafen. For everything else, the ports request thread is a pretty good resource for publicly available sources that you should be able to build yourself. For triple AAA games you're pretty much limited to binary drops from Gog and Steam, although some open sourced engines are linked from port requests.
     
  13. TrashyMG

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    If you're ignoring Steam which has likely the best support for anything gaming on Linux on PC, you are left with Some abysmal support from GOG and perhaps Wine / PlayonLinux with varying results.
     
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    Fine, I guess I could try to recover my Steam account when I get a new computer next month. It's just that I lost both the email address associated with it and the device I was using to 2FA into it.

    I was kinda tired of the whole pseudo-economy they had going with digital items and the dozen games they were releasing everyday. Have either of those gotten better?

    EDIT: Thought my account might have been stolen by now, but the last activity was on September 12th, which would be before I took my break from the internet. I still wonder if I'll have trouble recovering it.
     
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  15. Klumpen

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    U-Turn
    https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts
     
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    As someone who's purposefully stayed away from snaps and stuff... can I get an explanation how they would solve anything? The libraries inside there still have to be maintained or else you could just run some third-party solution providing the libraries instead.
     
  17. levi

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    Yes, 32-bit libraries will still be maintained, and you could acheive a similar effect by having a lib32 folder and setting your LD_LIBRARY_PATH before running the specific application, but chroots and LXDs (and presumably snaps, but I've not researched those at all yet) provide more security by separating the environment which might become more necessary if ubuntu's 32-bit libs are not going to be fully maintained going forwards for reasons not stated here.
     
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    To the benefit of everyone else. Quite good for Ubuntu these days.
     
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