Some sort of nationalism argument


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lulzfish said:
If we're going to involve chaos theory, then it was the fall of the Roman empire that saved you guys in WWII.
No, technically, when you think about it, it was you making that post that started World War 2, and it was me postiong this post that ended it.

The causality chain would be several thousand pages long, though.

Now, back on topic PLEASE!
 
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'dflemstr' said:
5. America would not have been colonized at all if it wasn't for us Europeans, and then there wouldn't have been any Americans to save us in the 2nd World War. But the World War probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America (I'm not blaming America, but rather the butterfly effect (read about it on Wikipedia))

Actually, had it not been for America joining World War 1, due to more bloodshed on both sides with no results the treaty would have been much fairer to both sides and would not have caused the problems it did in Germany. Therefore, they would not have started a second World War, and one of the big reasons America joined the first World War was due to the secret message sent to Mexico from Germany telling them that if they attacked the United States they would help them recover Texas. So in reality, we all know that the internet can be credited to Mexico for existing which caused World War 2 which allowed us to invent it.
If you never came to Europe in world war 1 it would have been a fair war. But no, america has to come again when everyone is already almost dead, america are just cowards who only come to war when everyone is already dead.
 
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'Mithrildor' said:
'Username' said:
'dflemstr' said:
5. America would not have been colonized at all if it wasn't for us Europeans, and then there wouldn't have been any Americans to save us in the 2nd World War. But the World War probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America (I'm not blaming America, but rather the butterfly effect (read about it on Wikipedia))

Actually, had it not been for America joining World War 1, due to more bloodshed on both sides with no results the treaty would have been much fairer to both sides and would not have caused the problems it did in Germany. Therefore, they would not have started a second World War, and one of the big reasons America joined the first World War was due to the secret message sent to Mexico from Germany telling them that if they attacked the United States they would help them recover Texas. So in reality, we all know that the internet can be credited to Mexico for existing which caused World War 2 which allowed us to invent it.
If you never came to Europe in world war 1 it would have been a fair war. But no, america has to come again when everyone is already almost dead, america are just cowards who only come to war when everyone is already dead.

and on the 8th day...god created the dutch. and god saw it was good. :p
 
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Great, an open invitation to all sorts of snotty proud bastards to proclaim why their country is great and why other countries suck. Sounds like a good time.
 
See, I wouldn't have minded if this thread were locked. Why continue a conversation where people just try to argue which country is better? It's even worse because I think that some of these people are actually serious.
 
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'Username' said:
Why continue a conversation where people just try to argue which country is better?
Exactly, there is no need to argue - the answer is quite plain.
 
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Fuck that, Asia is the best country ever :)









yes i know
 
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'Nova' said:
Ah, the old "The US saved the UKs ass in WW2" argument. Complete tosh, but well done for digging up that old chestnut
There is hardly a difference between the US and the Uk anymore. We are in bed together more than I care to be. This whole globalization thing really sucks. I'm sure there are people who benefit from it that would kill me for saying it, but that's my take.

Chris

But at least we still have our guns and our fundamental Christians who embarrass us the world over! It really was a shame when the UK lost their guns. Just the antique guns that were lost alone makes the law a crime!

'borgqueenx' said:
'Mithrildor' said:
'Username' said:
'dflemstr' said:
5. America would not have been colonized at all if it wasn't for us Europeans, and then there wouldn't have been any Americans to save us in the 2nd World War. But the World War probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America (I'm not blaming America, but rather the butterfly effect (read about it on Wikipedia))

Actually, had it not been for America joining World War 1, due to more bloodshed on both sides with no results the treaty would have been much fairer to both sides and would not have caused the problems it did in Germany. Therefore, they would not have started a second World War, and one of the big reasons America joined the first World War was due to the secret message sent to Mexico from Germany telling them that if they attacked the United States they would help them recover Texas. So in reality, we all know that the internet can be credited to Mexico for existing which caused World War 2 which allowed us to invent it.
If you never came to Europe in world war 1 it would have been a fair war. But no, america has to come again when everyone is already almost dead, america are just cowards who only come to war when everyone is already dead.

and on the 8th day...god created the dutch. and god saw it was good. :p


And on a day much later, billions of years later, some duchebag wrote a book that had people killing each other for centuries over which interpretation was right despite the fact that most of it is demonstrably wrong.

Chris
 
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great, now we have annoying nationalists and militant atheists.
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'PoisonedV' said:
great, now we have annoying nationalists and militant atheists.
Hooray =(

All that's left is extremist political views.
 
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My country is better than all countries united. But simply we don't like attention.
 
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The funny (and sad) thing here was my post was about how we no matter which wars, no matter who saved who, no matter the colonies etc...were all still brothers and I believed we always would be...but seeing what happened after my post (being accused of saying the US saved the UK in WWII which I didn't say, instead it was a response to the previous assumption and I had said "one could argue" never stated it as fact or even belief)
I can see here that no matter what anyone says anymore people just can't resist fighting, I try to say, no matter what, we are brothers and people start fighting!? We are a race that is destined for self annihilation!

Sorry you had to move the thread Chip...I had no idea a warm thought of brotherhood could be twisted so and cause so much argument.....
 
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'Exophase' said:
All that's left is extremist political views.

Happy to oblige...

As an Anarchist I deny the benefits and legitimacy of nation states and all other heirarchical power structures, they are fundamentally dehuminising and do much more harm than good. Without nation states no world wars could happen, evil autocrats could not subject entire nations, and people would have un unprecedented level of freedom. In the words of Jean-Jacques Rousseau...
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The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said "This is mine," and found people naive enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.

I'm a moderate, it's the mainstream that's extremist.
 
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Preach it klepto!

I'm a social ecologist myself, it's very similar to anarchism but it thinks cities should confederate, rule by direct democracy in the neighbourhoods and usurp capitalism and the state.
 
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'Exophase' said:
'PoisonedV' said:
great, now we have annoying nationalists and militant atheists.
Hooray =(

All that's left is extremist political views.

Maybe if the Uk let Hitler and the nazis win the war, the muslim terrorists would be crushed already...
 
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No, we dutch are the best country:

-We had our own sea in our country , which was created by a high leader of a the Holy Roman Empire , and we were able to make a lake of that.
-We live under the seaheight (only we can do that)
-Best of all: We live near ED
 
'Klepto' said:
As an Anarchist I deny the benefits and legitimacy of nation states and all other heirarchical power structures, they are fundamentally dehuminising and do much more harm than good.
Ah, but can we really exist without them? So long as there is one person stronger than another, and the other willing to fall under the stronger's protection, there will be a hierarchy. Societal simulations have suggested that even in a completely chaotic situation, order will emerge. Groups have a greater chance at survival, and so it should be no surprise when groups start forming. Two people work together to gather food. A third joins them with their own skills. A fourth and a fifth, the group grows and prospers. Decisions need to be made, and one way or another, some form of government will form to make those decisions. Groups will meet other groups and claims over resources will be made, fights will break out as more hostile groups rise to try and take from others, for such groups always seem to exist. Two groups might form a pact in an attempt to gain ground against a third group, promising to split the spoils. The third group finds a fourth to amalgamate with to protect itself. Larger groups find promise in central establishment, pulling up land for farms and permanent housing that can be continually expanded, enhanced, and reinforced. Eventually you come right back to where we began: order and hierarchy, nations and government, all have been reestablished in some form out of complete chaos. It is not the same order that we have today. Whether it's better or worse is impossible to tell. But it is the nature of natural evolution to move from chaos to order. Anarchists that I've spoken with seem to think that anarchy can be maintained somehow, or that any society that evolves out of the chaos would necessarily be better than what we have now. Personally, I'd rather not take any chances with natural evolution.
 
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