Put Us Out Of Our Misery!

[Kyo]

Hahaha, well I got the refund money today so at least one of us is happy

 

[mali]

Hahaha, well I got the refund money today so at least one of us is happy

Make that two by adding your successor in first batch

 

[gp32rich]

It is smarter that cases are worked on after the holiday given what Craig and Michael said about rushed manufacturing.

Maybe I'll give up my place in the first set already made so I get a 'not rushed' case ;P

 

[Kyo]

Hahaha, well I got the refund money today so at least one of us is happy

Make that two by adding your successor in first batch

I just keep doing good things, don't I? I'm like a saint.

I'm just glad I don't have to wait for anything anymore.

 

[roberthoward45]

I wont have to wait either, when my pandora gets here eventually i wont have to wait and i will transcend to Nirvana (the place not the band)

If i got a refund then i would miss my pandora for ever and only have 300 dollars

value of pandora is infinite

value of $300 is only $300 and dropping

 

[(naw)mcx]

Hahaha, well I got the refund money today so at least one of us is happy

Make that two by adding your successor in first batch

I just keep doing good things, don't I? I'm like a saint.

I'm just glad I don't have to wait for anything anymore.

I really doubt you have stopped following all together, you will still be kinda excited when some one gets one

 

[Kyo]

Hahaha, well I got the refund money today so at least one of us is happy

Make that two by adding your successor in first batch

I just keep doing good things, don't I? I'm like a saint.

I'm just glad I don't have to wait for anything anymore.

I really doubt you have stopped following all together, you will still be kinda excited when some one gets one

Never said I stopped following it, as I'm quite obviously still on this board. I'm just not waiting anymore. I'm not trying to s*** (there, I censored it) on anyone's parade here. I've been on board for this for a long time, so purely out of curiosity I'll see when it comes out. I will, however, not buy one.

 

[edgex004]

I will, however, not buy one.

For the fact that you no longer want the system, or is it a matter of principle? I would deem both arguments understandable by this point, as they both come to mind regularly when my bank account runs low.

 

[Sphinxter]

Hahaha, well I got the refund money today so at least one of us is happy

I got your pandora pre-order so fast that it made two of us happy thanks.

 

[Kyo]

I will, however, not buy one.

For the fact that you no longer want the system, or is it a matter of principle? I would deem both arguments understandable by this point, as they both come to mind regularly when my bank account runs low.

Principle, really. I just simply do not wish to give these people my money.

 

[MonkeyChops]

thats intriguing. Did something specific happen between you and OP or is it just the wait that's made you feel that way?

 

[palmertech]

I am really, really sad about the Chinese new year delay.

I am going to go and furiously play my TapWave Zodiac to drown away my combo lack of emulation/romance blues.

 

[Kyo]

I wouldn't say it's one specific event that made me have enough. It was just a stack of things that pissed me off. I've said most of this in the other thread already, but basically I was just really tired of their lies. I know people are going say that the pandora team didn't lie, they were just mistaken but I cannot understand how anyone can seriously have that impression of them anymore. They said they would bundle the tv out cable instead of asking 20$ for it like other companies, we saw what happened to that. They said they wouldn't start preorders before they were absolutely sure that it wouldn't take longer than 6 months, yeah we saw what happened to that. We saw them repeatedly promising it would come in the all-too-popular "two months™". Yeah, ok, so they were wrong, but how could they POSSIBLY think they could release it in two months one and a half years ago? They didn't have the board, the cases, the software, anything. Claiming that their promises back in the day were not a lie would only imply that they are really stupid and naive.

I'm gonna paraphrase some other guy here, because I really think he's right "Does the pandora team ever think ahead more than two months?". Honestly, I really believed them the first, second and third time they said it would come in two months. I truly and fully believed them and trusted them. Then, when they said it would come in time for christmas, I believed them. This year, last year. I believed them it was just a minor delay and they would definitely come in january. Oh whoops, the end of february is getting closer. Awesome, pandora team. Awesome.

And the dev-fund? What ever happened to that? They cashed in our money and it was never mentioned again. Yeah, I asked my money back for that as well.

But you know the worst thing about the team is truly Craig. I'm an optimist and I really want to believe that micheal, evildragon and fatih are all nice people, but Craig is a pathological liar and a sociopath. Craig, you give us your sweet lies, your intentionally vague and misleading comments to deceive us and stop us from canceling our preorders. If someone really believes that Craig keeps making these vague statements unintentionally, leaving us to speculate and giving us hints to things that are never happening (one time, in a guess-the-release-date-thread he said something along the lines of "I think I can do it in 35 [days]!" - this was never explained or mentioned again), then they are just naive. He's trying to keep the hype by whatever means possible, be it flat out lying to your customers and then simultaneously claiming that you're not evil like other companies, who treat their customers like s***. Yeah, you totally haven't been doing the same thing here, craig. I think many of the forum confuse directly talking to your customers to being good to them.

And then, it was being talked about to just ship incomplete cases and let people buy good ones later. Granted, it didn't happen, but It's about principle. Really? You spend 330$ and have to buy a case that doesn't look like crap? That was even considered to be an option?

The team is just so damn unprofessional. How many times have they been "surprised" by the chinese new years now? 3 times? You'd think they would see this coming after a while.

 

[LuvClub]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I'm in it for the Pandora console itself and do not think you should get too pissed off by Craigix's "lies" and take them too personally.

The Pandora seems to be finally here (give or take 1 or 2 months) and if it really does what everyone says it does then I'm fine with paying more than the Americans for it and fine with putting up with the delays and Craigix's "lies".

When I say I'm fine it doesn't mean I will worship the feet that he walks on or thank him each and every time he posts a comment like many other forum posters. I believe he has always been in it for the money and it is a business to him, albeit with the aid of an enthusiastic community, and I'm just one of his customers who is only in it for the end product.

If I walked away now I would get my money back, but I will not be able to get a "refund" for the time spent waiting for the product so I may as well wait. Since we really look like we're in the final stage before sending out to customers I believe Craigix wouldn't be bothered if any of us cancelled as there are enough people waiting in the wings to take our place. In preordering early you have helped to finance him to get to this stage and if you cancel now he would not thank you for lending him your money so far, so why bother?

 

[Kyo]

Honestly, they are making profit by me canceling, because I ordered when it was cheaper. But it's not about financially hurting them, it's about me personally and I do not wish to personally give them money. I don't care if they end up being millionaires.

 

[TrashyMG]

Honestly, they are making profit by me canceling, because I ordered when it was cheaper. But it's not about financially hurting them, it's about me personally and I do not wish to personally give them money. I don't care if they end up being millionaires.

This is a unique project with a unique development process, everyone should of known this when they got into it. All of them are doing a phenomenal job considering how small of a development team there is and what is involved in the project. I personally haven't seen anything that Craig said as being full out lies, Perhaps he spoke too soon a few times... Your just being vindictive and it won't sway my mind to keep my hopes with the project, which is what your trying to do.

 

[Kyo]

I think craig just wants to have it both ways. I think he wants to be that guy who's super awesome and totally talking to the customers and at the same time be a shady businessman and lie to the customers to keep them happy, and get away with it. It's kind of like how he's trying to be like "we're taking out time so it's perfect" and "we're rushing it so you get it faster" at the same time, as that case thread exampled nicely. It really doesn't work that way. I can't understand how someone can say he doesn't/didn't lie. How did he not lie? Can you pick out the examples I gave and tell me how I'm wrong?

Again, I'm not trying to s*** on anyones parade here, if you want a pandora and get one and it's super awesome, I'm happy for you. I'm not trying to convert you all to pandora-haters. Each to their own.

 

[fiori_musicali]

A pathological liar and a sociopath? You might want to be more careful in giving such labels to people.

 

[palmertech]

I think Craig believes in his updates as much as the forum populous do. When he said that TV Out cable would be free, I do not think he knew he was lying. When he said it was going to be done for Christmas, I think he truly believed that to be the case. More an issue of being too optimistic along with the rest of us, IMO.

Does not make it acceptable by any means, or justified, but it is an explanation. Explanation/=Justification.

 

[Monk]

I see a lot of what Kyosys is talking about. If we ever get around to pulling out of the Pandora Paroject, Craig will be reason numero uno.