Paying For Online Music....

[saehn]

I am a bad internet pirate who steals far too much. But I bet I am like most of us here in that I have a CD collection of around 10000 to 20000 cds, all bought and enjoyed.

This pretty much invalidates everything else you written, but I'll address your points anyway.

The point is, music shouldn't be free. We who steal i should know that we are stealing and flagulate (?) ourselves daily cos of it. Pretending that we are justified in what we do is wrong. Do you believe that Musicians have a duty to give you stuff? Should the bitmap brothers work for our pleasure?

Music is free. As in: it is a thought pattern---once communicated, other people have access to it. "Stealing" can't be applied to music, unless you steal songbooks or instruments. U.S. law recognizes this and refers to unauthorized reproduction of copyrighted music as "copyright infringement". When you steal (going by the primary definition), you reduce the physical property of another person. That doesn't happen with music. Musicians don't have a duty to create music, but nor do listeners have a duty to purchase it. The Bitmap Brothers work for their own pleasure, and if people want to give them money to support what they do, so much the better. I don't believe that copying music for personal consumption is morally wrong.

We, we are bad. But musicians deserve respect just as much as pornstars? I get a bit fed up when people pect me to have a proper job!!!

I give some musicians every bit of respect that I give to pornstars. :rolleyes:

The music industry has led many people to believe that music is a commodity (instead of part of our culture). Do I believe that musicians should retain some copyright? Sure, they deserve the right to try to make some money from their original creation. While it may inspire derivative works, no-one else should be able to profit from the original creation without the author's permission. This would extend for a reasonable amount of time before passing into the public domain. I believe that this was the original intent of copyright.

Edit: typos, errors.

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

Just for the sake of noting, I thought I would mention that the Bitmap Brothers are supposedly no longer around.

Just FYI.

 

[tim0391]

if we download music illegally i dont think we would be stealing off of the artist him/her self.
I think they create the album and a record company such as warner brothers
pay the artist a lumb one off sum of cash and not in how many cds they sell.
im not interly sure about this tho just it seems to make sense.

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

I'm pretty sure they get a percentage of album sales as well....

 

[LordFu]

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties6.htm

"Let's say a CD sells for $15. Right away we deduct 25% from that for packaging, which makes the royalty base $11.25. Now let's say our artist has a 10% royalty rate and that his CD sells one million copies. That sounds great! The artist would earn $1,125,000! Except 10% of those were actually freebies, so we really have to calculate that royalty based on 900,000, which makes the royalty $1,012,500, and of course, there are few costs we haven't talked about yet."

"Let's see what these recoupable expenses do to our artist's $1,012,500 royalty we calculated earlier. Suppose the recording costs were $300,000 (100% recoupable), promotion costs were $200,000 (100% recoupable), tour costs were $200,000 (50% recoupable), and a music video cost $400,000 (50% recoupable). That comes out to:

$300,000 + $200,000 + $100,000 + $200,000 = $800,000

Suddenly our artist isn't making a million plus, he's making $212,500. But don't forget there is also a manager to be paid (usually 20%), as well as a producer and possibly several band members. The artist won't see any royalty money until all of these expenses are paid."

I don't buy music online. I don't buy music with DRM, and I never will. I believe Bill Gates even recommended buying cds and ripping them yourself. I support the artist I like, by buying cds and merch and going to shows. Most artists make more off tours and t-shirts then they do off the cds.

 

[tim0391]

yes thats more likely but at least its not fully based on sales i think we would know if it was becuase the artists would be complaining more about illigal downloads.

 

[WarmFluffyUK]

I get my music off i-tunes. As an artist myself I can imagine how annoying it can be people stealing your stuff. Royalties are small enough as they are without people getting it all for free.

Shame on you who pinch music. It's not your right to have it for free you know, some people work damned hard to produce music that can capture your heart.

if we download music illegally i dont think we would be stealing off of the artist him/her self.
I think they create the album and a record company such as warner brothers
pay the artist a lumb one off sum of cash and not in how many cds they sell.
im not interly sure about this tho just it seems to make sense.

Actually you get royalties on every record sold. Even if your music is used in an advert, as title music for a TV prog or in a film, you are paid royalties.

However you badge it to make yourself feel ok about it, downloading for free is technically theft.

 

[Nova]

One word, www.spiralfrog.com

EDIT: Ok, it don't say much there, but basically you can download free mp3's in return for looking at ads. It's completely legal. It's not opened yet though.

 

[saehn]

However you badge it to make yourself feel ok about it, downloading for free is technically theft.

It's not. Technically, it's copyright infringement. Theft is removing the property of another person and possessing it for yourself.

Your previous posts indicate that you play emulated ROMs on your GP2X that you've never purchased. Do you consider that theft as well?

Tell me: if I browse through a friend's library and memorize a copyrighted poem, is that wrong?

 

[Draken]

I download all my music illigally. If I like the music so much that I want to own it on cd, I buy it.
Also, I'm a fan of the videogamemusic rearrangement scene. That's pretty underground, and I'm not gonna pirate a cd that's 10 dollars incl. world wide shipping. (and in that way I support them, I've also donated to the metroid metal project, which is all free to download)

 

[tim0391]

yes ive heard about royalties so what would happen if say a t.v program play a elvis song is there royalties involved then do the ancestors of elvis get the money or does the record company? :blink:

 

[WarmFluffyUK]

yes ive heard about royalties so what would happen if say a t.v program play a elvis song is there royalties involved then do the ancestors of elvis get the money or does the record company? :blink:

Yeah they do, but after 99 years the copyright runs out and it's a free for all.

 

[TelcoLou]

Shame on you who pinch music. It's not your right to have it for free you know, some people work damned hard to produce music that can capture your heart.

... No, they produce music to make money, earn a living, make a profit, package it and sell it as a product. I was in about 10 bands at one time or another, and we played music for a good time, played a few shows locally for free beer ... not once did we ever consider 'making it' as a commercial endevour.

I suppose I should feel badly for all those thousands of dollars I stole from these starving musicians .... but I don't.

 

[tim0391]

o ok thanks for explaining that seems quite complicated

 

[Nova]

Did you know AOL-Time Warner own the rights to the song "Happy Birthday" (The one that's sung when you blow out the candles) and if a movie uses the song, they must pay the company $50,000.

 

[TelcoLou]

Did you know AOL-Time Warner own the rights to the song "Happy Birthday" (The one that's sung when you blow out the candles) and if a movie uses the song, they must pay the company $50,000.

holy shit/10

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

Did you know AOL-Time Warner own the rights to the song "Happy Birthday" (The one that's sung when you blow out the candles) and if a movie uses the song, they must pay the company $50,000.

holy shit/10

Word??

 

[TelcoLou]

Did you know AOL-Time Warner own the rights to the song "Happy Birthday" (The one that's sung when you blow out the candles) and if a movie uses the song, they must pay the company $50,000.

holy shit/10

Word??

Word to mommy!

 

[saehn]

Did you know AOL-Time Warner own the rights to the song "Happy Birthday" (The one that's sung when you blow out the candles) and if a movie uses the song, they must pay the company $50,000.

holy shit/10

And that's why chain restaurants here in the USA don't sing it, either. Look here: http://www.happybirthday.com/birthday_facts.aspx

...and here: http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp

This is a perfect example of our culture being commoditized.

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

huh. well, I never knew that :blink: