graupelschauer
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I know, I know, I just couldn't resist to post about my feelings 
Do you have a ToDo list for things that stillt need work?
Do you have a ToDo list for things that stillt need work?

Oops, I wasn't aware. I was looking at this wiki page with a layout from the 90s.Guise, its 2013, get utf-8 support.
I'm as baffled as you are, really, but I guess the point is that Kingu has the time, energy and will to work on this, as well as administrative powers, so his vision is likely to prevail. I unfortunately do not have much time since I'm in the final stages of work on my graduate thesis, so I have to mostly leave him to it and hope that it turns out okay in the end. I also hope that he (or Wally) will try not to piss off editors in the future by unilaterally making major changes to actively-maintained pages.I simply don't get it, at all. What is the point that I'm missing?
What Kingu's doing currently isn't really the way wikis usually work - his working method is unapologetically autocratic; rearranging everything because of personal feelings and in such a way that almost nobody can easily undo it (actually deleting moved pages instead of leaving redirects prevents any non-admin users from undoing the changes or even seeing what was changed).That was a fun read. It always get interesting when partisans of "open stuff" don't seem to like the way wikis work![]()
But only admins can see the edit history of the deleted pages. It hides the authorship of the text. It also makes it impossible for users to check whether the text was transferred faithfully to the new omnibus page or if something was missed.If you check out the deletion log you can see where the info moved to, and why it was deleted if its gone.
I would like to point out that wally made lots of effort.You're on your own here, Kingu.
In all fairness, what is "this".I think it's fair to say that nobody else thinks this is a good idea.
Good, fix it. There is a method to things, and to get a sense of order that had to be done. It is not a permanent solution, but one to get some sense of overview.it's very frustrating to me the way you've combined different pages by just tacking them on to each other
Easily fixed.I wouldn't want the TOC to be somewhere in the middle of a page below many other non-listed sections
Good, standards are good. I suppose this is also a rather easy fix, but as of now, we haven't agreed upon the categories, they make little sense. The less uncyclopedia the better.I wouldn't want the categories to be listed somewhere randomly in the middle of the page rather than at the bottom as is the common standard on every wiki in existence.
Yes, and yes. As of right now it isnt an organic mess of broken logic. It isnt so vast that my approach is unfeasible, and so long as it works, it shines. Ive scratched most of my itch, now you do your part.Does any of that hinder your use of the wiki as an editor or as a reader? Do you actually use the Pandorawiki, not as an admin/organizer, but as a user?
Let the hatred flow through you. Everything proceeds as i have foreseen. On a srs note: If we are down to this im glad, that is a minor inconvenience. It is also easily fixed for anyone, if you can read this, you can take care of the problem. Edit the wiki today!I'm sick of seeing all the red-links on various pages of the Pandorawiki
I did.because you didn't bother to check if anything was linking to them before you deleted the redirects (this is one of the most basic editing rules, and ignoring it was egregious).
If you discuss that with the other mods and parttake in the effort, as i did, go ahead. I suppose that is the most counterproductive way of "fixing" it. That will reinstate, duplications, duplicated pages, spelling errors, wrong naming conventions, and pretty most every other break in good practice you could think of. Instead i suggest linking to the proper categories, in the proper way. Or, in the case that is unfeasible, make new categories or discuss why the ones we have no dont make sense.Unless a good reason is given why I should not, I will undelete the deleted redirects soon so that there are no more missing wikilinks on the wiki (and also for the reason I gave in my previous post).
I guess all my explanations were lost in the flamewar. Since its not needed now to have it "closed" I think a new thread should be made stating the wiki is now open for business, again explaining what has been done and why.As a user, this is the sort of stuff that really frustrates me.
Why all this?Monospace came as per default. Wikitable collapsible or {{hidden}} i cant get to work.
The majority of the work has gone into making categories, removing stuff and making sense of things.
If someone wants to have a go at making a sleek UI out of my approach or wants a page of their own, go for it. Ill create NewFrontPage2 upon request if you want to show your vision if its that different from mine.
