Nub problems!

[Nintendo]

A little off-topic...why is it that the 3DS analogue nub is, imo the best ever nub to have ever graced this planet Earth?

Probably because Nintendo spent more money on developing just one nub than we had for the whole Pandora development


Nintendo always had good gaming controls, though.

I guess they have an almost unlimited pool of funds.


Also as little off-topic...Imo, it would be smart for SONY to make both their analogue nubs work + feel EXACTLY like the 3DS one, but I somehow feel they might work or feel more like the dual shock analogue sticks on PlayStation 1, 2, 3 controllers.

A little off-topic...why is it that the 3DS analogue nub is, imo the best ever nub to have ever graced this planet Earth?

Probably because Nintendo spent more money on developing just one nub than we had for the whole Pandora development


Nintendo always had good gaming controls, though.

I agree with you both.


The 3DS nub is awesome, but I would imagine a lot of R&D went into it's developement. I will also say the Pandora nubs are damn good, and only second to the 3DS in handheld analog controls IMPO.


It sucks that the team has had so many problems with them(first company going belly up, bad tolerance levels, calibration issues, ect), but I find them to be very comfortable and a real pleasure to use. A real accomplishment coming from such a small project with limited funds and resources. The team should feel very proud about what they have delivered to the market.


I recently hacked my PSP, so I have actually been been using it a lot lately(it's been collecting dust for the last several years), and the Pandora nubs are just so beyond the PSP nub, it's not even funny. The nubs are just one part of what makes the Pandora so special, and you can see how they are a labor of love. A real testiment to the community wants and needs, and how the team delivered something special and cool at a great loss to the businesses accounts, but well worth the effort.


It took a billion dollar company like Nintendo to produce something better, I only wish they had put as much thought into a better battery, as that sucks ASS! Oh well, I guess we can never have it all!


Chris

Who was the first company to use them?

I don't know anymore if I'd be willing to overlook the 3DS's TOS though, as neat as the hardware is.

Don't use flash carts. Simple.

 

[KrazyKain]

urm... guys.... my nub problem?


please tell me theres a solution and I'm not gong to be forces to Rma for repairs

 

[EvilDragon]

I don't know anymore if I'd be willing to overlook the 3DS's TOS though, as neat as the hardware is.

These are the worst TOS I've ever seen


Jesus Christ, you take any pictures and they can sell them to other companies so they can do marketing and promotions?


I wonder if they will deactivate your device if you make porn pictures

urm... guys.... my nub problem?


please tell me theres a solution and I'm not gong to be forces to Rma for repairs

Well, I asked above:


What exactly is wrong? Don't they work at all?

 

[WizardStan]

I don't know anymore if I'd be willing to overlook the 3DS's TOS though, as neat as the hardware is.

Don't use flash carts. Simple.

There is nothing in that TOS that says Nintendo will intentionally brick your system if you use third party hacks. No one has ever officially said that. The TOS says that third party hacks will permanently disable your system following an update: it is Nintendo saying "sometimes we change things with an update, and if your homebrew application does something to the system that is suddenly no longer allowed, that'll cause problems." No where has Nintendo ever said "if you hack the system, we will log in and brick it." In fact they have officially stated the opposite.


The only people saying Nintendo will brick your system are those that have tried to interpret the TOS and those reblogging those that have tried to interpret the TOS, but every single TOS is a mess of legalese designed more to protect the supplier than the consumer, and it is usually quite easy to cast it in a negative light.


My concern with the TOS is all the stuff about how Nintendo owns and can use your pictures royalty free. That's a little shady if you ask me.

 

[caren]

I think that's boilerplate stuff for many services that allow users to upload content (forums, image and video sites etc.). I'm not sure what sharing capabilities the 3DS has, but it's probably there for them to be able to transmit your photos when you send them to your friends or something like that.


Edit: For example, this is part of YouTube's terms of service:

For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your Content. However, by submitting Content to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the Content in connection with the Service and YouTube's (and its successors' and affiliates') business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Service (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. You also hereby grant each user of the Service a non-exclusive license to access your Content through the Service, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such Content as permitted through the functionality of the Service and under these Terms of Service. The above licenses granted by you in video Content you submit to the Service terminate within a commercially reasonable time after you remove or delete your videos from the Service. You understand and agree, however, that YouTube may retain, but not display, distribute, or perform, server copies of your videos that have been removed or deleted. The above licenses granted by you in user comments you submit are perpetual and irrevocable.

It's a bit more restricted than the 3DS TOS, but you'll find that sentence in the TOS of many services.

 

[AquaAnalogue]

I don't know anymore if I'd be willing to overlook the 3DS's TOS though, as neat as the hardware is.

Don't use flash carts. Simple.

I hope you were joking just then. You can't just submit to a giant like Nintendo. They are rapidly turning evil. Perhaps they need a little hacktivism ... Just like our friends at Sony Computer Entertainment.


Everyone has the right to use whatever peripheral they want to with any device they own. This includes using a flash cart with legal homebrew games for the 3DS.


I love homebrew, not only because it turns my original fat DS into a kick-ass chess clock, but also because it creates a legitimacy to the flash carts (which should have been there in the first place). You can't ignore the fact that flash carts are used for homebrew, therefore you cannot say "don't use flash carts." How else do you expect someone to make homebrew? It's not the homebrewer's fault people abuse the carts for piracy!


Have a little faith in the hacking community. Someone will release a fix for this eventually. It's only a matter of cutting off Nintendo's read/write access and/or spoofing the data. As soon as the bad guys release new technology, the good guys develop technology to circumvent it. It might as well be a law of physics or something.

 

[KrazyKain]

I don't know anymore if I'd be willing to overlook the 3DS's TOS though, as neat as the hardware is.

These are the worst TOS I've ever seen


Jesus Christ, you take any pictures and they can sell them to other companies so they can do marketing and promotions?


I wonder if they will deactivate your device if you make porn pictures

urm... guys.... my nub problem?


please tell me theres a solution and I'm not gong to be forces to Rma for repairs

well the right one works fine but the left one does not recognize 'up' at all, and no amount


Well, I asked above:


What exactly is wrong? Don't they work at all?

well the right one is fine but the left recognizes up as down (and down as down) and no ammount of nub dancing, battery removal or input tester has made a difference

 

[the_marshal]

I think that's boilerplate stuff for many services that allow users to upload content (forums, image and video sites etc.). I'm not sure what sharing capabilities the 3DS has, but it's probably there for them to be able to transmit your photos when you send them to your friends or something like that.


Edit: For example, this is part of YouTube's terms of service:

For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your Content. However, by submitting Content to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the Content in connection with the Service and YouTube's (and its successors' and affiliates') business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Service (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. You also hereby grant each user of the Service a non-exclusive license to access your Content through the Service, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such Content as permitted through the functionality of the Service and under these Terms of Service. The above licenses granted by you in video Content you submit to the Service terminate within a commercially reasonable time after you remove or delete your videos from the Service. You understand and agree, however, that YouTube may retain, but not display, distribute, or perform, server copies of your videos that have been removed or deleted. The above licenses granted by you in user comments you submit are perpetual and irrevocable.

It's a bit more restricted than the 3DS TOS, but you'll find that sentence in the TOS of many services.

Well it shouldn't be acceptable for youtube either IMO... it's just that people don't seem to care. Basically you retain the copyright but youtube has pretty much every right (though the lisence) to your video while it is on youtube.

 

[Prometheus]

My sincerest apologies for being off-topic here, but it is worth pointing out that the FSF on their DefectiveByDesign site seem to be overlooking that some of the things they're railing against (including the fact that the TOS does not make any claims about bricking, and that official statements clarify this fact), are different all over the world. They should specify that their article only applies to the USA.


For example, that's not so where I am (quote from Nintendo Europe here, for example).


Moreover, there's a distinct lack of research emanating from a number of the claims made in the article - it's a shame that there are people falling for it. (For example, the part about names and addresses being collected is outright false, the quoted bit about data collected whilst online is standard for online services on game consoles as far as I'm aware, and the part about the conditions US children must adhere to is as far as I know a pretty standard thing in US licensing agreements, so its inclusion seems like grasping for straws.)


Anyway, bowing out, now. Perhaps the off-topic bit should be split off into its own thread?